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Jim T. · Aug 09, 2004 01:13 PM

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We have submitted an OTS PAMPA rules change proposal to give diesel engines a 5 point bonus in PAMPA OTS competition. The proposal will be published in the Stunt News after next for your consideration. Please note and let your PAMPA district representative know what you think.

Jim

SRiese5283 · Aug 09, 2004 01:49 PM

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You got to be kidding.

Scott Riese

dirtydan · Aug 09, 2004 01:56 PM

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I'd vote for a 25-point penalty for using a diesel in OTS.

And a 50-point penalty for electric motors in OTS.

Seriously, what's the end game here? I have been lead to believe diesels can compete heads-up with glow engines. This seems to negate that sort of thinking.

Actually, I think Jim is bringing a well-developed sense of humor from out of his closet. Nicely done...

Dan

Tony G · Aug 10, 2004 03:07 AM

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>I'd vote for a 25-point penalty for using a diesel in OTS.
>
>And a 50-point penalty for electric motors in OTS.
>
>Seriously, what's the end game here? I have been lead to
>believe diesels can compete heads-up with glow engines. This
>seems to negate that sort of thinking.
>
>Actually, I think Jim is bringing a well-developed sense of
>humor from out of his closet. Nicely done...
>
>Dan

Ha!...I've been waiting for this moment to unleash my C.S. Deezil
.12 repro on the competition! I should be paid $25.00 for getting
it to run, I'll even take a a total points deduction for the $25..
Tony

gcb · Aug 10, 2004 06:06 AM

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>Ha!...I've been waiting for this moment to unleash my C.S. Deezil .12 repro on the competition! I should be paid $25.00 for getting it to run, I'll even take a a total points deduction for the $25..
>Tony

Hmm...my DEEZIL repro from "CLASSIC OLD TIME ENGINES" runs fine.

George

Lou_Crane · Aug 09, 2004 01:55 PM

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LAST EDITED ON Aug-09-04 AT 01:55 PM (CDT)
 
Jim,

Great idea! Let's see if that brings some authentic(-looking, anyway)1940's diesels away from the spark circle at VSC.

If we can use funny-looking blue engines in 1940's designs, with only a few sneers or odd glances from certain 'purists'... why not use diesels of any era, too. Many DRONE designs are out there, no better or worse than their contemporaries. It'd be a kick to resurrect them with the proper fragrance!

PAW engines go almost that far back, themselves. It's just that they don't really like to stunt mounted head-up or head-down...

...Diesel fliers bear a unique manly aroma...

\BEST\LOU

wright45 · Aug 09, 2004 02:00 PM

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LAST EDITED ON Aug-09-04 AT 02:01 PM (CDT)
 
While you're at it, what will be the bonus points for whip control?

John Wright

phantomflier · Aug 09, 2004 03:55 PM

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>We have submitted an OTS PAMPA rules change proposal to give
>diesel engines a 5 point bonus in PAMPA OTS competition.


What is the basis for this bonus? My understanding is that properly set up the engines can compete equally with the engines of that period. The bonus for biplanes & no flaps is due to a competition disadvantage which doesn't exist for a diesel.

Nikyvee · Aug 09, 2004 06:49 PM

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Would you be able to use the diesel WITHOUT a muffler? Would a modern diesel be allowed? A beginner asking...
Nick Vanmatre

gcb · Aug 09, 2004 06:57 PM

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Man, that'll make some of us bump our Small Fry (1948 British stunt winner) with a Mills 1.3 replica up a notch on the to do list!

George

faif2d · Aug 09, 2004 06:58 PM

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I don't think there is a muffler required for OT stunt. Love the sound of a Fox .59 in the morning.

I used to like painting with dope but now I can't remember why. Steve Fauble

dickbyron · Aug 09, 2004 07:13 PM

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Ok,
But you smell funny, however so do I sometimes LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

DICK BYRON
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F4FGuy · Aug 09, 2004 07:17 PM

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Ron B.
F4Fguy

Great idea,IF they're limited to fixed compression diesels,such Drone and Mite. Otherwise,what's the point? Given the same displacement,almost any adjustable compression diesel will blow the doors off any sparker of the period.

As a counter-proposal,why not limit all engines to ones contemporary with the airframe design,or,conversely,give bonus points for same? They certainly represent as much of a disadvantage as no flaps in the OT pattern.

While I have to admit most of the above is,to some extent,tongue in cheek,It does seem to me that OT is taking a dangerous turn toward a very slippery slope.The original idea,unless I'm badly misinformed(a not unusual condition)was to have a low key event which would keep alive some of the early designs and traditions. The COMPETION aspect was not important,or even desireable. Slowly,over time this has evolved into a "letter of the law " event where winning is the name of the game,and where anything goes,as long it's within "THE RULES",much like the (subject never to be named).

With sad resignation,

Ron B.

Pancho · Aug 09, 2004 08:25 PM

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Hi There, There once was a man who competed with Drone Diesels at the GSCB contests. The one remarkable thing I recall was that it usually took a loooooooooong time to get the darned thing running! I'll have to have a huge bunch of unfettered support from my District 3 members to even begin to think of voting for this idea. Even up, run anything your heart desires; bonus for a diesil? Never!

Phil Spillman

Patrick Rowan · Aug 09, 2004 11:09 PM

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Leave OTS alone. It works well as is.

Fly Stunt

Randy Ryan · Aug 10, 2004 07:19 AM

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Honestly, there were in American stunt so few diesels ever used, what would warrant a bonus for diesel use? I love diesels, but I wouldn't support a bonus for their use in OTS, even period diesels.

Randy Ryan
AMA 8500
SAM 36
I fly 'em all and love it!

DesignMan · Aug 10, 2004 11:33 AM

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Are diesels allowed in the spark ingnition engine event?

Larry Renger
think S.M.A.L.L.

Jim T. · Aug 10, 2004 11:57 AM

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Diesels have not been allowed in the spark ignition event, and I don't expect they will be in the future. The proposed rule change does not affect the spark ignition event in any way.

Jim

TomN · Aug 10, 2004 12:16 PM

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LAST EDITED ON Aug-10-04 AT 12:17 PM (CDT)
 
The guy with the Drone Diesel at the GSCB, also won quite a few times!

I have even seen Jim operate his diesel with little or no problems.

There is no need for a diesel bonus here.

Perhaps a diesel event just like we have a spark event at VSC,
but any other contest the GSCB rules are just fine.

Tom N

Royde26434 · Aug 12, 2004 01:15 AM

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Ah Ha!!! I think I can smell that PA61 with a Davis diesel head conversion! No pun intended. Cheers

Roy DeCamara

gcb · Aug 12, 2004 06:50 AM

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Perhaps the hardest part of running a diesel is getting someone to hold your plane.

George

dirtydan · Aug 12, 2004 02:24 PM

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> Perhaps the hardest part of running a diesel is getting
>someone to hold your plane.
>
>George

You're close. The hardest part of running a diesel is first holding one at launch for someone else, and then trying to get decent service at the local restaurant. People who smell of diesel fuel are poor tippers and waitresses intuitively know this.

Dan

Uncle Mikey · Aug 12, 2004 05:19 PM

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The two best replies so far: (1) "You've got to be kidding", and (2) "Leave OTS alone; it's working well as-is" (or words to that effect.

Mike Keville

Jim T. · Aug 12, 2004 09:34 PM

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I have had a lot of fun and enjoyment flying diesels in OTS. Not many people do this. Because it is fun for me, it is my nature to encourage others to give it a try (sort of like the ebullient RC person who encourages you to "step up to RC" ). Perhaps a 5-point rule would encourage two or three new people; hey, a 50% increase in our numbers. By all means let's keep this thread alive as just talking about it, and what a bad idea it is, may recruit us a couple of contrarians. We diesel folk are friendly, and invite you to join our elite group, small and smelly though it is.

Jim