Allen Brickhaus's new plane

posting this for Allen

he will fill in the details

I just got that email from Allen. Is that wild or what?
Great job on a reasonablly obscure subject.
Bill <><

Allen sneaked this one on us. I never heard of a Trianic. It obviously looks a like a classic ship.

LAST EDITED ON Aug-12-04 AT 05:47 PM (CDT)
 
Hi Milton,
Yeah, Allen told me when he first started it. It is a ship from the Netherlands, mid '60s. Suppose to be a real good flier! It is in the PAMPA Classic Era Construction Drawings book. Aero Modeler, March 1966.
Bill <><

LAST EDITED ON Aug-13-04 AT 07:49 PM (CDT)
 
Great looking airplane! I saw it in Tom Morris' Classic Stuntships book, went nuts, and got my buddy Tom Knoppi to give me contact info for whichever Metkemeyer brother (Bert?) designed and flew it. I wrote and pleaded with him to get plans drawn and suggested preserving them via Henk de Jong's plans service. He replied that he turned over the drawings and surviving model to somebody to draw plans, Paul Tupker, I believe. Henk added it to his plans service. It's all my fault! I'd like to know what Allen did about all the rudder offset...eliminated it, I'd hope. I hope I got all the spellings right. By the way, there is a bigger version with trike gear, designed for a ST .46. If you want a Classic for a G.51 or similar, there you go. I compressed the drawing of the .46 trike version and attached it. Not good, but it will give you the idea.
EDIT: Allen Brickhaus says the .46 size is NOT Classic Legal.

Who can do something about Riley Wooten's "Lonestar", aka "Slick Stunt Ship"? I've tried, I really have. We need somebody local to go over there and sweet talk him. Preserve it or lose it! Steve

Steve Helmick
Charter Member
3315 posts Aug-12-04, 09:52 PM (CDT)

4. "RE: Allen Brickhaus's new Trianic"
In response to message #3


By the way, there is a bigger version with trike gear, designed for a ST .46. If you want a Classic for a G.51 or similar, there you go. I compressed the drawing of the .46 trike version and attached it. Not good, but it will give you the idea.
Who can do something about Riley Wooten's "Lonestar", aka "Slick Stunt Ship"? I've tried, I really have. We need somebody local to go over there and sweet talk him. Preserve it or lose it! Steve

You're absolutely right Steve. I feel these ships are genuine treasures. We are not just preserving a set of plans, but we are saving a record of worldwide precision aerobatics activity. I feel it should be part of Pampa's charter to discover, preserve and\or renovate past stunt ships just as they do in full scale aviation.

WOW!! Has sort of an Ercoupe look to it, too..

At first glance, I thought it said "Titanic" on the wing...

LAST EDITED ON Aug-14-04 AT 00:05 AM (CDT)
 
Ercoupe? Get real, Isk. No steenking Ercoupe ever looked so sexy! After trading PM's, Allen sent me some more pics. Should I post them? I think so! Steve

PS: I used "smudge" to blurr the exposed aggregate concrete under the model on photo #2. It looks terrible, but it's only my first try at doing this to reduce file size. I got a little of the right rudder blurred, too. Choice of background makes a big difference on digital photos, esp. when we have to meet the 50kb limit.

Walter compressed this so I could upload the trimmed-out Trianic.

Isn't this the guy who designed the LEGACY? If he doesn't fly a LEGACY, does this mean that the design is outdated, or has been OBE?

Just curious.

>Isn't this the guy who designed the LEGACY? If he doesn't
>fly a LEGACY, does this mean that the design is outdated, or
>has been OBE?
>
>Just curious.
>
>Floyd

What is OBE?

>What is OBE?

"Order of the British Empire"

Sorry, couldn't resist. I don't know what he means either...

>>What is OBE?
>
>"Order of the British Empire"
>
>Sorry, couldn't resist. I don't know what he means
>either...

A pure guess - Overtaken By Events?
Legacy is a modern stunt machine? Triannic is Classic.

OBE = Overtaken By Events. Meaning, no longer relevent or important because other things have made it obsolete.

Most stunt gurus will stay with one design inatead of hopping around from one to another.

Paul Smith

My driveway looked almost that bad. I had it busted out and replaced this year. Cost me $6,200. Inside my garage looks better than most living rooms now. Worth it. Don not put a good plane on a bad driveway.

The driveway is gravel. I have not much control over that. It does offer an interesting background.

Interesting tip plates. Effective on the stab but not the elevators. Wonder if they slow things down. Don

Power for the Trianic is a Randy Smith PA 40 with a rear exhaust muffler. I am using a Bill Lee tri-blade prop pitched at 4". Line length is 61' eyelet to eyelet with a Kaz Minato handle. Fuel is SIG 5% Champion with one ounce Randy Smith's "Snake Oil". Ground release is around 10200 with upright lap times of 5.32 sec and inverted at 5.25 sec. 4 3/4 ounce of fuel will allow about 7 minutes of flight time. So far the wing needs a small flap tweak to level the wing plus inside and outside maneuvers seem equal. Not a full pattern as yet, but inside and outside loops and squares are no problem with the 10 mph breezes today. Keep you updated.

Finally put in the first full pattern tonight on the Trianic. I am well pleased with the performance. I opened the small Kaz Minato handle a bit and pushed the elevator pushrod up further on the elevator horn to achieve about 30 degree deflection on the flaps and about 45 degree deflection on the elevators. No tail or nose weight is needed. The plane grooves well and shows much promise in maneuvers. I still have to get used to the new bird, but I am happy with my selection of having the Trianic in my stable of Classic/Expert models. The wing offset (about 2") only needs around a half ounce of tip weight. The motor run as described in the previous comments was the same tonight. The muffled PA 40 is becoming even more predictable as I add flights to the summer practice sessions.

Looks great Allen!

So far I have about twenty flights on the Trianic and am very well pleased with the response so far. The larger wing offset leads to take-offs similar to an All American Senior but flight reactions are very comfortable. Hope to see you guys at Peoria, Saturday at Marietta, at the Broken Arrow in St. Louis and Huntersville in October.

Wanted to Thank Fred Krueger for the "I'm moving into inverted flight mode" at the Peoria Area Wyreflyers contest Sunday, September 12. Always a fine contest and great friends at the contest.

Marietta (Atlanta)? - cross your fingers that Ivan's left by Friday or Saturday!

Managed to do well with the twenty flight Trianic at Peoria. Matt Neumann and Chris Rud were well versed with their respective Stuka and Vector. I have about thirty flights on the model now and the prop is now a cut down Bill Lee triblade from 12 1/2" to now a 11" diameter. It breaks a little better. The numbers are still the same as presented in the last thread, but I have enough confidence to use only 4 1/2 oz. of fuel for a full time of about 6 min. and 55 seconds. It is slight faster on outside maneuvers, but that is an asset on the vertical eight and the hourglass. So far, I am well pleased with the muffled PA and Trianic combination.

LAST EDITED ON Sep-20-04 AT 06:08 PM (CDT)
 
Outstanding model! Your reports on flights and trimming are great.

Michael Schmitt took another flight shot of the Trianic at St. Louis for the Broken Arrow contest.

Just wondered: The red on the wings look kind of transparent.
What type of cover/finishing has been used?

The covering material is MicaFilm. It has a see though look with an iron on fabric texture. I thought that the Classic look could be maintained more with the covering. MicaFilm has no glue so one must purchase Balsarite for the needed glue and Ironex to thin the glue.

Ok thanks.
Norvald Olsvold

LAST EDITED ON Oct-06-04 AT 00:01 AM (CDT)
 
Hi Allen,

The new ship looks awesome. Hope it trims out just like you like it.

I'm interested in your thoughts on the muffled PA rear exhaust. (by the way, I think you told me but I've forgotten, is it the ultra lite or the original .40?)

I'm assuming you are using his "header muffler". Is that correct? I'm thinking of going to a muffled rear exhaust system for the "sometime in the not too distant future" Hughes Racer project and I've been experimenting with header mufflers on the old original Trivial Pursuit (pretty much the closest thing to a useable stunter I've got to my name after this last year). Tried both the PA and RoJett .61s with the OEM header mufflers from each.

Both engines flew the airplane very well. The PA muffler, however, was significantly louder than the RoJett. This is undoubtedly due to the much larger volume (both diameter and length). What are you experiencing on the .40 in terms of noise?

Just for the sake of b.s., I had been thinking seriously about using a big four banger in the Hughes but my mixed reaction to the results from the very best in the world at using them at the '04 WCs has me going back to what I know best. My experience so far with the muffled engines from our top engine builders here in the states makes me think this will be a much better way to go with a design which will require a significant amount of "non-traditional" layout and aerodynamics.

My initial experience has lead me to use slightly more pitch than with the same engine on a tuned pipe. Started with five inches on an Eather green flat back 12.5 three blade. That was too much and required the engine to operate way too deep in the four stroke. Worked OK but the engine was so rich you sort of wondered if it might quit. Repitched to about 4.75 and things started to fall into place.

Both engines operated just fine in this mode (as both builders assured me they would), with the same subtle differences you get running them leaner on the pipe. The break in the PA is stronger than the RoJett and it is overall ver slightly more powerful due to that break. The RoJett break is more like a Fox .35 where the sound changes but the power boost from the break is minimal.

David has been running the latest iteration of the PA (with which he won the Nats) which seems to be mellower in the break department. He hasn't run on the header muffler and I doubt that is in his immediate future as what he's got works "OK" (yeah, right...OK) and building a new home is a more likely scenario for him than time in the work shop.

I'll be diddling with this approach for the next year or so while I get the mental images of the Racer translated to something paper from which an airplane could be built.

Ted

p.s. Have to edit my comments about the PA vice RoJett header mufflers. It is the RoJett version that is significantly larger volume and, therefore, noticeably quieter. I should also advise that the PA unit was designed for the ultra lite .40 but still bolts onto the larger PAs. It is quite possible that Randy would prefer a larger volume version for the bigger engines as well. It was just simple to bolt on the one that came with my ultra lite .40.

The important fact is that both engines perform exceptionally well with the mufflers as well as with the tuned pipes. This is something that until recently yours truly hadn't even considered. For what it's worth, both of the engine producers were well aware of the functionality of the muffled option for their engines.

Really gotta pay attention to these guys sometimes, don'tcha.