super tigre 35

Any one know how the Super Tigre 35 compares to the Fox 35? Which one is better? Which is heavier...ect. What are the advantages/disadvantages with both? Thanks in advance, Brad

Which ST 35?

Looks like this one but alot better shape. I am thinking it was made in the early 60's. It is a bushed engine. Belonged to my father. Would it be worth flying as a a cl engine if I can get a venturi and NVA for it?

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Hi Brad,
I have seen two versions of this engine. One w/ a baffle piston and one without. The baffle piston has a pretty good stunt run, the flat top is a combat engine, but will work pretty good w/ a stunt venturi, high rpm low pitch.
They are stronger than a stock Fox 35, and just a touch heavier.
I used a flat top one with a stock stunt venturi, and some head shims for a high rpm 4-2 break. Worked real well.
Bill <><

LAST EDITED ON Aug-21-04 AT 07:07 PM (CDT)
 
Brad,

The Super Tigre Combat .35 (flat top piston) is a very good engine for control line sport, combat, stunt flying. I have flown this engine in the sport stunt mode on a Flite Streak with a suction fuel system/10-6 Top Flite prop/5% nitro and had a lot of fun with it. This engine starts easily and runs strong. When run like this, it has more power and better fuel economy than the Fox .35 stunt. I have 4 of them at present. This includes the two I purchased in 1966 ($13.95 each, new in the box) and they still perform great. They are super engines to use on combat designs of the 1960's and 70's such as the VooDoo, Sneeker, Vampire, Winder, Super Swoop, Nemesis II, etc. I run them on a bladder or pacifier type fuel system with a 9/7 Top Flite, RevUp or Tornado prop and 10% nitro fuel. I have run as much as 25% nitro with no ill effects at all. They are very strong running in this mode. Keep them clean and run at least 25% castor oil in the fuel and you can't wear one out. Great little engine!................T.Durrill

I too used them in combat like Durill. But we always replaced the ball bearings on those that had them. It is a great engine, better than the Fox other than a little heavier, as stated. Steve Wooley used the ST .40 in one of his planes.
Funny thing is while in Italy in 1965 I found a hobby shop that had an entire back wall filled with every type of Super Tigre engine made. My buddy and I just stared and drooled. Bad news was they cost about $15.00 more in Italy than in the states. Seems in Italy they came fully assembled and with a glow plug. The imports came partly unassembled and with no glow plug or not installed but in the box. This way, in 1965-68, they passed customs as "parts" and the tariff was lower or non existant. Strange law. While we were there, we bought some Graupner brand balsa. Good news, it was all metric, so we got more than 36"X1/8" X3".

The NVA fron the S.T. 51 fits this thing. The venturi from the Thunder Tigre 25 almost fits it. They made a lot of versions of this engines over the years including PDP models. The earliest ones would run best for sport C/L. I think Leonard makes a venturi for it.

The tiger is vastly superior to the fox in quality alone. Yes, it is worth fixing up.

Giffy;)

It looks like he had an old ST .45 also. I appreciate all the info you guys can give me on this one as well. I am grateful for all the replies. Thanks again, Brad

LAST EDITED ON Aug-22-04 AT 00:22 AM (CDT)
 
The ST .35C (in either piston type) is a great engine, but I have memories of them not being a terribly smooth runner. Great on the nose of a full fuselage stunter, or a side mount on a VooDoo or similar, but DON'T put one on an ARF Flite Streak. The R~C version is probably the flat topped piston variety. Coincidentally, the original "Trianic" (see the thread about "Allen Brickhaus' new stunter") was powered by the ST .35C "Stunt".

I still have my two old ST .35C Combats, and have collected a couple more; one has a baffled piston. I sometimes ran Fox "Blast" (50% nitro) in one, and it was very fast (116mph on a Sneaker) tho in those days, it was on .015" lines. It never blew up or broke. IMO, they were pretty hopeless on crankcase pressure, but sweet on a Binky Baby Pacifier used as a bladder tank. Steve

>The ST .35C (in either piston type) is a great engine, but I
>have memories of them not being a terribly smooth runner.
>Great on the nose of a full fuselage stunter, or a side
>mount on a VooDoo or similar, but DON'T put one on an ARF
>Flite Streak. The R~C version is probably the flat topped
>piston variety. Coincidentally, the original "Trianic" (see
>the thread about "Allen Brickhaus' new stunter") was powered
>by the ST .35C "Stunt".
>
>I still have my two old ST .35C Combats, and have collected
>a couple more; one has a baffled piston. I sometimes ran Fox
>"Blast" (50% nitro) in one, and it was very fast (116mph on
>a Sneaker) tho in those days, it was on .015" lines. It
>never blew up or broke. IMO, they were pretty hopeless on
>crankcase pressure, but sweet on a Binky Baby Pacifier used
>as a bladder tank. Steve

Hi Steve....Sorry about your bad experience using Crankcase pressure
....My ST 35C's ran beautifully on Crankcase pressure. One engine was
mounted on a Starduster 900, using a pressure tap thru the engine
mounting lug and My other powered various 1960's Combat models and
I even used it in a 1980's Sly-Sir Combat model. I never had a bad
engine run with these engines. Both engines were retimed and
produced really good power. Maybe it was your fuel tank design that
caused problems for you. I just used a .015" regulator in the
pressure vent line. My St 35C Sly-Sir went 102-104 Mph on 10% fuel
from Hobby Shack. For those of you reading this post, The ST 35C's
that I used, were Plain Bearing Flat Top Piston engines. One had PDP
boost Ports, the other engine was an earlier version without PDP.
Tony

Back in the early 60's. I flew the RC version of the Supre Tigre 35 in carrier on a Skyshark profile. With a cut down 9-7 that setup occassionaly hit 18 seconds for high speed flight and was consistently at 21 or better.

Compare that to a fox 35 !

Hi Steve
I'm wondering why you would not put a Super Tigre on a Flite Streak ARF. Is that just for the ARF? I have both a C35 Combat version on one old kitted version and a G21 35 on another. They're both over 25 years old now, and still going strong!

This is just my opinion.
There is no comparison between ANY fox and ANY Supertigre.
After years of using ST stunt(baffle), combat (flat piston), and G21 Supertigres, I believe they are superior to Fox in every way.
No can'o worms here.

For what it's worth, if I could only have one engine it woild be a Super Tigre G21 35. I'm a Super Tigre nut!

I've had some good times with those engines.