TEOSAWKI

I have searched the SSW files and read all the posts referring to TEOSAWKI. Are plans available?
Thanks.
Regards,
Phil

Clayton Smith is the originator of the Teosawki. I am not sure if he is taking orders right now, due to a large demand . No plans that I know of since they are pretty much RTF.
Pretty sure Clayton is in PAMPA directory, but I can't find mine.
Bill <><

I talked with Clayton at Marietta this last weekend. He said he is looking at a sort of kit, but that plane does not lend itself to being a kit as such. Present price for one is, I believe, 185.00 USD. He had the very first TOESAWKI there. Many improvements since that one. I love mine and now have the engine problem fixed.
I think he will be at Huntersville.

Hi Ty,
Last time we were at Huntersville was when I talked to Clayton. The T_ (the) E_(end) O_ (of) S_ (stunt) A_ (as) W_(we) K_(know) I_(it)
is a great flying profile. But since I have known Clayton for so long, and we are friends, I can say: It is the BUTT UGLIEST stunt plane I have ever seen!! hahahahaha
But, I would still have one.
C'ya Saturday,
Bill <><

Now that I have one of those ugly things, I agree, but they sure do fly the pattern very nicely. It is easy to over fly it, but just put the inputs and stay smooth and that thing will really make the flyer look good. Of course the engine must stay running, especially while inverted. I wonder who up there I got mad???

So Bill, post a picture of the Ugly Stunt Plane. I've never seen one.

Hi Randy,
I have tried to take pics, but it always breaks the camera!!!!! hahahahaha
It is very similar to an extended fuselage Russian Combat ship
Bill <><

Hi Randy,

Here are two photos of my TEOSAWKI. I really can't say that I find them ugly anymore....This is my second one as Ty bought my first one from me at Brodaks this year...We are all trying to get Clayton Smith to kit the plane as it is a really good flying model...Kent

Kent Tysor

Hey Kent!
Glad to see you here.
Naw, they're still butt ugly.
But they do fly great!
C'ya in Huntersville.
Bill <><

Kent,

Looks like a Skyray and a combat plane tossed into a pot and stired.

Glad it flies for you. That's the main thing.

>Kent,
>
>Looks like a Skyray and a combat plane tossed into a pot and
>stired. :)
>
>Glad it flies for you. That's the main thing.

Ron B.
F4Fguy

If you use a crock pot, you don't have to stir.

LAST EDITED ON Oct-19-04 AT 02:00 PM (CDT)
 
Thanks everyone for the pictures and information. This should be very useful in building something similar.
Regards,
Phil

OUCH that really hurt!!! But a Skyray is not as Butt Ugly!!!

Hi Kent. Wanna sell that one, too? Oh, by the by guys, the TEOSAWKI will fly just fine even with absolutely no rudder of vert fin. Don't ask how I know, just trust me on this.
Mine now has an entire new rudder, modified OS .46LA and a different fuel tank. Onward, upward, yo!!

It's reminiscent of the Slow Combat planes Gary Minor used to build for Cary and Andy to fly. Very lightweight, relatively fragile. Looks like a foam leading edge. Yeah, that would be a pain to kit.

Right Isky, the leading edge is foam. The covering looks like Slick Tack or Fast Cal or clear Monocote. The fuselage is two parts, front and rear. Built up fuselage, 20 inch stab. Not unlike the models you showed us that are emergency stunt planes. Just remove the flaps and that small triangle area where the flaps are connected and you have in essence the TEOSAWKI.

Could you line these all up together at Huntersville? That way, when I lose my balance (;o) I can end the agony all at once?

LAST EDITED ON Oct-19-04 AT 07:57 AM (CDT)
 
>Could you line these all up together at Huntersville? That
>way, when I lose my balance (;o) I can end the agony all at
>once?
>
>Curt

What are you guys talking about? Compared with my Ukey 35, these things are rare beauties! You've seen the Ukey, Curt, so you know of what I speak. And as you so aptly pointed out, a few contacts with terra firma and the associated repairs will only enhance its already rare aesthetic qualities. You guys just don't know from UGLY!

Did I mention that the Ukey is nicknamed "Bud"? That's short for "Bud Tugly".

Andy

Obviously a male Ukey.

Curt,
They probably will be all lined up at Huntersville, 1st, 2nd, 3rd,

Not if I "lose my balance" first! ;o)

I love that name!

I heard REO in my head..

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"Not only is life a bitch, but it is always having puppies." -Adrienne Gusoff

Surly you jest when you said kit was $185.00. But, the question is: is there a set of plans for this? Also it looks better than some I have seen. Later, DOC

No plans. I guess that wasn't clear.
It isn't a "kit", so far it has only been an ARTF plane.
AFAIK, they are covered, assembled, etc.
Clayton lives near here, and raised the prices because he couldn't build them fast enough.
Bill <><

I have two of them and they fly great. Clayton does a great job building them and they are worth what ever he is charging. It's really what I have been using to teach me the pattern.

What is the wing area of the Teosawki? I am adapting a George Cleveland "Slo Godzilla" for stunt, 624 sq in.

http://pages.prodigy.net/gcleveland_grsmodels/

Click on "Large Model". FWIW, Cleveland likes large volume ARF orders to defray the cost of shipping. I bought mine from a loco . . . er, I mean local combat guy.

Kim Mortimore
Alameda Aeronuts

The wing area of this ugly beast is 635 sq inches about 20in tailboom
.
As I have posted previously a 46La with a 12 x3.5/3.6 running in a hard 4 motors it around very well. It dosnt get bothered by the wind. Other than it being so d--- ugly it has no bad habits even on 65 ft eye to eye lines, I take it back ,it is so light it is hard to land if its windy.
I have seen several people land, the plane stop, the pilot gives a slight amount of up and the thing takes off again except its going backwards, right Clayton.

Fun airplane to fly
Busby

Here is a little info from Clayton Smith on his TEOSAWKI.

TEOSAWKI
The End Of Stunt As We’ve Known It
Design By Clayton Smith

TEOSAWKI is a simple durable low cost model using readily available .40 to .46 engines that, when measured by flying performance, can carry the CL stunt newcomer from beginner to a 500 point advanced pattern. This one really flies like a “prostunter,” maybe better. TEOSAWKI is a tool to confidently perfect needed skills without the burden of trying to carry, at the same time, the marginal performance of the newcomer’s typical precision stunt models with their seemingly endless tradition of complications. The prototypes have won and placed competitively at contests including Brodaks, King Orange and the AMA Nationals. Even while giving up all builder of model appearance points in expert it has garnered competitive 500+ scores.

Construction will seem unorthodox to veteran stunt builders. The methods are those perfected over the past decade by the Eastern European and Russian combat designers. Even at only 35 ounces ready to fly and 635 sq. inches of wing its durability belies its combat heritage. Crashes into pavement hard enough to break off engine mounts hasn’t stopped TEOSAWKI from flying the same day.

You will find that the TEOSAWKI executes the Precision Aerobatics Pattern easily and at your will. Don’t get distracted by how it looks or its seemingly unusual flapless design. Just get it in the air. Perfect your skills with TEOSAWKI, “show and shine models” will come later.

Specifications:
Span: 53”
Length: 41”
Area: 635 sq. inches.
Root Chord: 14” 13.5% airfoil.
Tip Chord: 10” 12.5% airfoil.
Mean 25% Aerodynamic Chord: 0 degrees sweep. ¾” behind CG.
Step down elevator/stabilizer.
Weight: Approx. 24 oz excluding engine and fuel tank.

Here’s something to get the Prostunt guys really going. TEOSAWKI is asymmetric. Having one wing longer, asymmetry, is not all that unusual especially with older designs. Kind of out of favor today however. But those asymmetric designs and even new ones today have a longer inboard wing. Now the surprise. TEOSAWKI has a longer outboard wing. Not by much, just a quarter inch. Just enough to assure the separation between thrust line and the mean aerodynamic center(MAC). Phil Cartier wrote the best explanation of this in the June 2000 issue of Flying Models. Bill Netzeband had a good comparative test some time ago in Stunt News. What this really amounts to is to place the engine bearer side of the motor mount in alignment with the centerline of the wing. This differs from the typical profile model which has the center of the fuselage instead of the center of thrust bisecting the wingspan. That conventional design results in the thrust line being outside the wing’s physical centerline and closer to the MAC. Because a CL model is flying in a circle the wing’s center of lift is outside the physical plan form centerline of the wing. At the slow speeds of Stunt models this distance between centerline of thrust and MAC is small making its relationship sensitive for good line tension. The closer the thrust line is to the MAC the poorer the line tension. On the TEOSAWKI we are talking about just an extra quarter of an inch to assure that separation. Get the thrust line outside the MAC and you’ve got a freeflight with lines attached. Sort of like an All American Sr. taking off. (You have to fly an All American to understand.) But then why not put the engine thrust line on the inboard wingtip, plenty of separation. A couple pounds of outboard tip weight too, thats’s why. Enough theory for now.

FLYING

Strongly recommend a stock OS 46LA running the stock muffler (the muffler baffle may be removed. Fly on 60 to 65 foot .015 or .018 lines. Prop sizes of 10/5, 10/6, 11/4.5, 11/5, 11/6, and 12/4.25 have worked well. TEOSAWKI’s have proven easy to fly forgiving planes. Good in wind. Good tension everywhere with equal turn qualities. Can turn on a dime if needed. Capable of full pattern even with laps over 6 seconds. Ideal at 5 to 5.5 second laps.

Now fly it. You’ll discover hidden in the TEOSAWKI a character that you’ll know is special. It is The End Of Stunt As We’ve Known It, TEOSAWKI.

>Here’s something to get the Prostunt guys really going.
>TEOSAWKI is asymmetric. Having one wing longer, asymmetry,
>is not all that unusual especially with older designs. Kind
>of out of favor today however. But those asymmetric designs
>and even new ones today have a longer inboard wing. Now the
>surprise. TEOSAWKI has a longer outboard wing. Not by
>much, just a quarter inch. Just enough to assure the
>separation between thrust line and the mean aerodynamic
>center(MAC). Phil Cartier wrote the best explanation of
>this in the June 2000 issue of Flying Models.

Yup! I've built 1/2-A Combat planes with longer outboard wings. You just need more tipweight, but it sure does help the plane stay out there..

As Bill said , it is not a kit. It is almost an RTF. Just install your favorite fuel tank and engine, hook up the lines. Way beyond an ARF, whcih still has to be assembled. This is ready to go less the tank and engine. For 185.00, a labor of love, one at a time building, cheap and well worth it. I want another, but will have to wait until more get built.

LAST EDITED ON Dec-13-04 AT 05:51 AM (CST)
 
I saw a noted combat flyer try this at the Nats about 35 years ago. Pre-PAMPA types didn't even want to score him.

I tried it in Toronto about 20 years ago......stunt stalwarts gave me absolute minimum for every manuover.

Concept sure makes sense, light is right. Can do lower pullouts will less labor invested.

Only downside,,,, overcoming the mind-set of The Judging Establishment. Elites must buy-in first.

LAST EDITED ON Dec-13-04 AT 11:10 AM (CST)
 
Leading Edges are available from the Core House. 24 pieces in a box for $40. Send me an email.

You really don't need plans. The key to building this kind of ship is to build a simple jig to hold the parts as the wing goes together. Build the leading edge first, cover it, and then use the jig to add the ribs and trailing edge.

Take a look also at the lack of paint. I figure that a decent paint job on a 635sq.in. wing would add another 6-8 oz.

Actually I wouldn't mind a few more pictures if someone would be so kind. Perhaps a front view and a front 3/4 view

Ta

Regards

Mike