EZ-Just Hot Rock (4") handles`

I'd like to get hold of some more EZ Just Hot Rock 4" handles, new or in good shape used.

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Al: I sent you one a while back, correct? I may be able to find something. Currell

Many thanks, Currell.

I think he is looking for a 4" EZ-just

Just to save someone else some time:

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Why don't you try contacting Bigiron(alias Marvin Denny). I am still flying several of his handles. Later, DOC

HI Al. I have four I found last night. They are yours for the asking. Let me know if you still need them. 256-880-1390. Ty M>

Hey Al, Any progress on Snaggletooth?

Aircobra,

clear goes on tomorrow.

>I'd like to get hold of some more EZ Just Hot Rock 4"
>handles, new or in good shape used.
>
>Al

Al,

You might want to check into my Precisio Pro handles now being marketed by Carl Shoup. They are exact outline copies of the Hot Rock but with sliding stainless steel hard point line attachment
sliders that will allow spacing from as little as three inches up to five inches. They're balsa,ply,steel kits but end up feeling just like a Hot Rock with the addition of pretty good adjustability.

>>I'd like to get hold of some more EZ Just Hot Rock 4"
>>handles, new or in good shape used.
>>
>>Al
>
>Al,
>
>You might want to check into my Precisio Pro handles now
>being marketed by Carl Shoup. They are exact outline copies
>of the Hot Rock but with sliding stainless steel hard point
>line attachment
>sliders that will allow spacing from as little as three
>inches up to five inches. They're balsa,ply,steel kits but
>end up feeling just like a Hot Rock with the addition of
>pretty good adjustability.
>
>Ted Fancher

I recommend these highly....And they don't have the cable that will fail and cost you an airplane.!!!

I bought 4 handles from Ted before Carl took over. 2 of the Plus for me, and one regular for my son. They do take some getting used to! I think th term "compliance" by Brett sums it up.
Personally, I thought from observation (but I am not an expert level pilot) is that these and the cable handles both serve a purpose. Some of our planes seem to fly better on one or the other.
Another trim tool? Or do I just need more "stick" time?
Bill <><

I've never flown on anything but EZ Just Hot Rocks. I never heard anything about failures in Hot Rocks, though I have certainly seen any number of bar front handles result in crashes.

That's what I said until I lost an Impact from a Hot Rock cable failure.

Howard,

Where did the cable fail? Is there an obvious preventative?

The cable failed where it went around the corner at the bottom. I hadn't had one fail like that in years of flying combat, because I continually adjusted the handle for new airplanes and lines, so the corner was at different places on the cable. Flying a stunter, I kept the handle setting constant and the cable fatigued at that one point.

LAST EDITED ON Oct-19-04 AT 11:36 AM (CDT)
 
Howard,

All of my EZ_Just handles are modified for greater line spacing. I have a selection of sizes while maintaining the feel on the only handle I have ever used. I guess my plywood exits apply the same fatigue stresses as the stock Hot Rock. It seems that all handles have a similar exit problem. Do you think there is something about the Hot Rock cable making it more susceptible to fatigue?

Al

forgot the photo.

My cable broke inside the handle, not at the exit point. Your handle, having increased line spacing, would be less prone to failure inside, because the cable would go around less of an angle.

Another issue may be the color of the handle. There were gray Hot Rocks, which appear to be made of better stuff than the red ones. I prefer them for combat because they don't wear the exit holes as fast, and they aren't as bad about cracking at the adjustment point at the back of the handle. My cable failure was in a gray handle. Red ones may be softer and not stress the cable as much.

All these handles are old, so cable corrosion may contribute to failure, too.

I had a Hot Rock split down the middle in flight.
Being the quick thinking fellow that I am , I grabbed the lines ,one in each hand, thereby changing the spacing to about a foot which ended the flight prematurly, requiring new motor mounts.
I,ve got two of Ted,s handles and they really feel like a hot rock
and are easily customized
I really think you would like them

Ted thanks for the reply. I'll ask around to see if anyone local has one that I can look at. I think I will prefer the single wire through the handle though.

>Ted thanks for the reply. I'll ask around to see if anyone
>local has one that I can look at. I think I will prefer the
>single wire through the handle though.
>
>Al

Hi Al,

I know Bob Gieseke was really excited about the ones he got from me a year or so ago. Believe he is still using them. What I thought would be of interest to you is that the adjustable sliding "L-shaped" arms to which the lines attach have multiple closely spaced holes (I think around six holes total but I don't have one here in the den). These arms can be mounted with the attach points either pointed toward each other allowing adjustments from standard Hot Rock down to under three inches or, pointing away from each other allowing spacing up to five inches or so in small increments.

LAST EDITED ON Oct-19-04 AT 11:28 AM (CDT)
 
Windy, too, makes handles with the same shape....except that they are adjustable, have a positive lock for the cable, are lighter and safer....you probably wouldn't like 'em.

Oh yeah, most importantly, it's easy to affix a thong to them.

See Ya

>Windy, too, makes handles with the same shape....except that
>they are adjustable, have a positive lock for the cable, are
>lighter and safer....you probably wouldn't like 'em.

<chuckle>

LAST EDITED ON Oct-19-04 AT 12:18 PM (CDT)
 
Peaqbody,

I have an assortment of handles with different line spacing. The only adjustment I need is for neutral. If the cable is the problem, I think I have a way to replace the cable.

I have an assortment of handles given to me to try out that I've collected over the years. They are all heavier than my Hot Rock, which I think is important, and lack the feel that I'm comfortable with.

With each new airplane I work with my handle selection until I find the one I like then I make a new handle and line Set dedicated to that airplane. I had a full factory box of new EZ-Just handles when I resumed flying, but seem to have used them all up, which is to say, none available for new applications.

I also have only used a Hot Rock. I only have the one. It will be a sad day if it ever breaks, but is showing no sign of that just yet. It would be nice to find a large stockpile of them.

I have found it a relatively simple matter to change the cable in the HR to heavier modern stuff. You'll just need to fab up your own neutral adjusting clamp.

You can also modify the exit hole to eliminate exit wear by epoxying in a brass ferrel.

I eventualy solved the whole problem by spemding a couple of hours at in the work shop, making up Hot Rock clones using ply/lite ply sandwitches in the shape of a HR. That way, for a few bucks and a couple of evenings work, you can have a drawyer full of handles or one for every plane.

Try it. It's EZ!

BIGS

" What constitutes the dignity of a craft is that it creates a fellowship, that it binds men together and fashions for them a common language. For there is but one problem - the problem of human relations."

Brodak sells a handle that is as good or better than the EZ JUST Its called The REYCO handle and it sells for $ 19.95 and it comes in two sizes 3.94 "and 4.25 ". SEE YA NEAL:)

I've sat still long enough...the cable on my handles goes around a reel, so no stress points to wear at all. Triple-ply construction, light, built-in line reel. Two sizes, for 1/2A, and bigger.
--Ray

LAST EDITED ON Oct-20-04 AT 09:20 PM (CDT)
 
Hi Al,

I still owe you big time for the flying box. Coincidently, I replicate hot rocks and ez justs with an identical outline, single piece of hardwood to suit taste, single cable and the same type of adjustment with a piece of inlaid aluminum on the back side.

Could EASILY make them with WHATEVER line spacing you might want, once you decide what that is. I've got walnut, curly maple, red/white/live oak, spalted ash, poplar and maple, mahogany, cherry, persimmon, mesquite, cedar elm, and some wierd stuff from Tasmania.

Let me know what you would like.

Tools

(edit) By the way, I just carve (got a 1/16" mortise chisel) the slot for the cable and radius the curve on the back side enough that a stress point isn't a concern. I use a little piece of copper on the exit point to prevent wear on the wood.

The only failure I've had so far on an original hot rock was the plastic failing around the adjustment plate. Just duct taped it back in place...sort of crude, but worked fine.

hey tools has got the tools to do it all ask him he will tell you have you bought anymore lately.

LAST EDITED ON Oct-20-04 AT 11:49 PM (CDT)
 
I remember some years ago someone showed up at the Nats selling Hot Rock copies made out of hardwood (walnut, I think). He was carrying them around in a briefcase. Very nice price, too - $10. Wish I'd bought one. I don't like flying with Hot Rocks, though - a little too big and clunky in the hand, personally.

If Howard didn't step on it one day, I'd still be flying with that yellow Sullivan plastic handle..

Isky,

My hobby shop has yellow Sullivans, both styles. Interested?

Hey Brad!

Yep, got a new bandsaw just last week...for $50!

It's got FORTY TWO inch wheels, stands about 10' tall, it's AWESOME. Probably built in the 20's. Got any balsa tree trunks you need milled?

Tools

http://www.owwm.com/PhotoIndex/detail.asp?id=1939

>Hey Brad!
>
>Yep, got a new bandsaw just last week...for $50!
>
>It's got FORTY TWO inch wheels, stands about 10' tall, it's
>AWESOME. Probably built in the 20's. Got any balsa tree
>trunks you need milled?
>
>Tools
>
>http://www.owwm.com/PhotoIndex/detail.asp?id=1939

Wow. THAT'S a TOOL!! No enclosure over the wheels? Wonder if you can get a 1/8" scrolling blade for the thing..

Got my hands on Duginske's book, so that makes this more interesting to me.

Hey Isky,

Yep, you can get bandsaw blades made ANY length. Most local industrial suppliers make them up, and every one I've ever dealt with (in a number of states and cities) offer a unconditional guarantee on the weld. Additionally, they offer a VASTLY superior selection of sizes and styles than available through mainstream (read Sears and home improvement centers) sources AND they're much cheaper.

This saw does in fact come with shop fabricated wheel guards, they're just not installed in this pic. The saw is and has been on a loading dock not in use for the past several years. Back when the saw was made, there was a version with guards, but I've never seen one, only the catalog listings.

With any luck, I'll be heading out to pick up the saw and bring it home today! And no, I have no clue where I'm going to put it... Women buy purses and shoes, most guys here buy engines and kits, I wound up with a 10' bandsaw on impulse...anyone have a balsa tree truck they need milled?

Tools

Let us know when you get it running! And take some pictures, too! I wondered about the 1/8" blades because I'd think something of that size probably takes 6 inch wide ones.. and one wonders if you can actually adjust the blade guides down for something that narrow!

This sort of reminds me of a couple of friends who bought a Vax 360 (IIRC) at a University auction many years back. It was a computer that came in a pair of small filing cabinet sized cases. They thought it'd be a neat machine to play with and set up such things as online dungeons and dragons games. Don't remember if they ever got it going. Any PC today would run rings around it, yet one wonders about how one would go about accomodating hundreds of users, as those old Vax machines did.

>Hey Brad!
>
>Yep, got a new bandsaw just last week...for $50!
>
>It's got FORTY TWO inch wheels, stands about 10' tall, it's
>AWESOME. Probably built in the 20's. Got any balsa tree
>trunks you need milled?
>
>Tools
>
>http://www.owwm.com/PhotoIndex/detail.asp?id=1939

Wow, look at that thing!!!

LAST EDITED ON Oct-21-04 AT 05:56 PM (CDT)
 
Tools wrote:

"...The only failure I've had so far on an original hot rock was the plastic failing around the adjustment plate. Just duct taped it back in place...sort of crude, but worked fine...."
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Mike,

I don't fly nearly as much as some forum users, but this is the only failure I've had with an EZ-Just handle, too. I accomplished a simple fix as well, albeit somewhat more time consuming than the one you executed. (Usual disclaimer: I do not advise anyone to use or this fix. If one does duplicate it, he does so at his own risk.)

First, I filed and sanded the remaining plastic around the adjustment plate level with the plate. Then, I wrapped around the plate inside the adjustment loop and the plastic in the center of the handle with the same bare copper serving wire that I use for leadout and line terminations. Finally, using a hot, 60 watt soldering iron, I flowed a bit of solder on the wire wrap to keep it in place. The use of a hot iron transfers heat to the wire quickly, allowing the solder to flow smoothly along the wire well before the handle's plastic melts.

The result of this exercise was a handle very similar to one I obtained from Denny Marvin a year ago. (By the way, after using Denny's handle, it has become my favorite of the ones I currently have, peplacing my bike-handlebar-grip modified Magnum {Aldrich} handle, though not by enough that I will be ridding myself of many of those.) In addition to providing unfettered access to its easy adjustment characteristics, the handle is now directly grounded to my hand while in use, preventing the static build up that used to zap me and cause some major jerks in the flight path of what ever plane I was flying at the time. Of course, I am now even more cautious than ever to make certain there is no thunderstorm activity in the area and that I am not flying in the vicinity of overhead power lines.

(Edited to add the sentence above in red.)

The Reyco handles available through Brodak are knock offs of the hot rock. Specify the 3.94inch spacing. Price 19.95. They're made of mahogany or stained wood. Specify which. They look spiffy. If you want a Hot Rock there they are made today. At the last Brodak fly in I saw boxes of them. Perhaps they ran out. I doubt it.

Mike, (tools)

Thanks much for the offer but I seem to be handled up OK now. I appreciate the offer tho.

LAST EDITED ON Oct-24-04 AT 11:59 PM (CDT)
 
>I'd like to get hold of some more EZ Just Hot Rock 4"
>handles, new or in good shape used.
>
>Al

Al I sent you a note. If you send me your address I'll send you a brand new 4" Hot Rock.