Win a Corehouse Giles Kit

LAST EDITED ON Oct-19-04 AT 12:22 PM (CDT)
 
I spoke to Phil Cartier last night and he has offered to put up Giles kit (or Brodak ARF) for the winner of the "Judging Puzzle".

"There have been a few discussions on judging and how difficult it is to "grade" a particular judge's performance. It certainly is difficult, as there are only a few methods available. My concern was being able to find a "coaster" in a group. That would be a judge who is either clueless and faking it or simply using a "bracket" to score a particular flier. In my mind all good judges should roughly track each other, coasters would simply stick to a range. In other words, no one flies a perfect pattern manuever to manuever, no matter how good they are. Some manuevers are better than others. A good judge will see a good manuever and go up, and conversely see a bad manuever and go down. If you had a bunch of good judges, no matter the overall score for each manuever, the cylce should be universal. Up on good, down on bad."

"This is the data that I used for the tests. It shows 4 judges and 5 fliers. 3 are expert and 2 advanced (I could add more). Two judges are bogus in two completely different ways. The scores are in the same range, and the totals are comparable. In fact, without using some particularly powerful means, the answer is in no way obvious."

Pattern point and appearance points are not for study.

http://www.clstunt.com/htdocs/dcforum/User_files/4171706a15db5dc7.zip

We are looking for the most eliquant solution, and you have to show all your work of course AND USE ALL THE DATA.

Hey, can I compete?

Hey some of us do not have a clue as to how the judges work.
Can you give us Newbies a little more info? WITHOUT letting the cat out of the bag?

Paul

>Hey some of us do not have a clue as to how the judges work.
>Can you give us Newbies a little more info? WITHOUT letting
>the cat out of the bag?
>
>Paul
>
>I am a retread, - I did C/L in my youth and did not know
>what I was doing then other then having fun. And not much
>has changed.

Sure, could you be more specific?

>
>Sure, could you be more specific?

Yes. What in the h-e-l-l are you wanting?

The coaster? What? I mean you just gave a binch of numbers and said figure it out. I guess those of us who dont who are not in Six Sigma dont get much a a chance without some sort of a problem listed or some sort of an equation. Throw us a bone...

LAST EDITED ON Oct-19-04 AT 02:42 PM (CDT)
 
I think the coaster is Judge #4.
I took avg of all scores and divided by 4. Most of his scores were avg. Coaster.

Paul

>I think the coaster is Judge #4.
>I took avg of all scores and divided by 4. Most of his
>scores were avg. Coaster.
>
>
>Paul
>
>I am a retread, - I did C/L in my youth and did not know
>what I was doing then other then having fun. And not much
>has changed.

The answer was already posted on the other thread, much to my chagrin. Finding the answer is unimportant, defining a suitable method is what we are looking for.

Frankly, there is no real answer. As all of the scores listed would be Real World acceptable, no one would make a fuss. All of the scores have comparable means and *similar* ranges. The total scores are virtually identical. Like I said, perfectly acceptable scores.

I guess this is a game for the statisticians.

BUY IT BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT!!!!!

MAYBE WE NEED MORE CHALLENGES!! Especially for prizes. What a great idea for the magazine. Vendors could sponsor prizes everyone could contribute to diffferent challenges. This could be similar to the "magic stab" challenge that I brought up once before. Maybe it could be building challenge, or a design challenge, or whatever. But then everyone could play.

I was thinking about that.

let's have a design/building contest.

Rules:
Any control line airplane, new designs only, designed built and flown
over the contest period .(Like Thanskgiving to Fathers day). No existing projects. New designs only.

Required to show pictures of your progress.
Limit motor size?
Limit to Stunt only?
Classes?
Winner picked by popular vote.

Winner gets a T Shrit or something.

I would like to see a coaster judge score my pattern. My coach keeps telling me I need to be smooth and consistant. It seems when I get the rounds good, the squares, triangle and hour glass suffer. When I get them working then the rounds suffer. Also after seeing the photo that Elwyn posted of me flying, maybe I need someone to help with my wardrobe. But, as I tell my coach, when I quit having fun I will quit flying. Later, DOC

I think maybe we ought to limit this to the non-statisticians in the crowd(Sorry Kim). Post your answers here and when we get enough, Brad and I will award the winner.

Statisticians can enter in their own category, with the prize being kudos and fame for the best layman's explanation of the solution.

LAST EDITED ON Oct-19-04 AT 09:07 PM (CDT)
 
This is awesome!

I got Kim's answer, it is very cool.