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rootbeard · Nov 01, 2004 09:16 AM

Ebay!! : (#0 source
Not sure how that Ebay thing works. I was bidding on one of three twisters and I had one won. Last night my son and I kept refreshing the screen as the timer went off. YES! we won. I went and checked my email and we had been out bidded. It was like the guy that won put a time on when he wanted his bid to go in, because he won the very second the bidding was over.
What happend? Or how did my screen show one thing and we lost?

Thanks
Paul

I am a retread, - I did C/L in my youth and did not know what I was doing then other then having fun. And not much has changed.

captcurt · Nov 01, 2004 09:30 AM

RE: Ebay!! : (#1 source
LAST EDITED ON Nov-01-04 AT 09:32 AM (CDT)
 
There are programs that do this very thing automatically. Called Sniping. It is very difficult to beat these manually if they are being used.

But after the auction page on Ebay shows the auction has ended, the winner should be the one listed.

There may be several emails sent along the way as different bidders information is analyzed right at the end. But the final page information should be correct.

Keep trying.

Curt

Randy Ryan · Nov 01, 2004 09:33 AM

RE: Ebay!! : (#2 source
Paul,

Check your item numbers and make sure you're looking at the same one in both cases. It's not unusual for the auctions to happen in the last seconds of the sale. I use a stop watch to time my bids if I REALLY want something, there is also a service sold to time bids into Ebay.

Randy Ryan <><
AMA 8500
SAM 36
BO all my own M's

kdheath · Nov 01, 2004 09:34 AM

RE: Ebay!! : (#3 source
Paul, there are automated web sites that can "snipe" an auction at the last minute. One is called AuctionStealer.com. You enter the auction number and the site enters your bid at the last second (as close as three seconds), and if no one has a higher proxy bid waiting, you'll win. Likely that's what happened to you. I can't explain why you saw that you had won the auction and then got sniped-that I haven't seen before. If you want a piece of the fun, AuctionStealer.com is free, though paying a fee gets you shorter snipe times. I lost an auction last night for an engine because of the proxy bidding even using the sniping tool.

outlaw · Nov 01, 2004 09:41 AM

RE: Ebay!! : (#4 source
vrane.com is free also using the public option you can snipe 1 item at a time

balsa4me · Nov 01, 2004 10:49 AM

RE: Ebay!! : (#5 source
Hello Paul,

Until eBay sends a end of auction message, it is not over. What happened is that someone else placed a much higher bid on item. eBay will not show that bid unless it is outbidded. Example if you're willing to pay $100.00 for twister, and the bid is $40.00 it will show highest bidder at $40.50 It will not show your $100.00 bid inserted. So if end of auction is $49.00 the twister is your for $49.00. Should someone outbid you by summiting $101.00 then eBay will show a $101.00 and a notice will be sent to you prior to end of bidding that you have been outbidded. Be careful, because sometime friends will bid on item to push price up, but sometime they get trapped with item and seller (friend) must pay a % of final sale to eBay. They got lawyers, bankers, and etc. that thought of everything. sincerely, balsa4me:)

Henry 256

rootbeard · Nov 01, 2004 11:05 AM

RE: Ebay!! : (#6 source
Well I did not know there was such a thing as snipping.

So what if two people are snipping the same item?


Paul

I am a retread, - I did C/L in my youth and did not know what I was doing then other then having fun. And not much has changed.

cyberflyer · Nov 01, 2004 01:06 PM

RE: Ebay - A simple procedure to put your best bid forward#8 source
>Well I did not know there was such a thing as snipping.
>
>So what if two people are snipping the same item?

Two or three people can fire in bids at the last second.

I do manual sniping when I want an item.

Here is the procedure:

I do the first step, which is figure out what I am willing to pay for the item. This has to be done in a moment of rationality, so decide how much the widget is worth to you and stick to it.

Then I put the item on my watched items list. I do not put my maximum bid in as all that will do is provoke someone who thinks they want to win the auction more than I do to bid it up past my price. I keep the price low by not bidding on it. Ebay works into these inflated prices because two or more folks start bidding back and forth and get into a 'win at any cost' mentality.

When the auction is nearly closing, I set up two browser windows with my desired item.

One of them I preload with my personal highest price and get it down to the one click to confirm state. I do that a minute or so before the item closes.

Then I start refreshing the other window to do two things: Watch the price. If it goes over my limit, I just abandon the auction and tip my hat to the guy with more money. I also time the round trip so I know how long the internet is taking then to process a page refresh.

If the item has not gone over my personal limit then I wait to about 2-3 seconds longer than the round trip time (If the round trip time from click to refreshed page is, say 10 seconds, then I make my bid at 12 seconds) and simply click my prepared bid and wait and see what happens.

Either I win the bid or I don't have time to add a larger number and bid again.

If the former is the case, I pay what I was willing to pay. If not, then I don't end up going nuts trying to 'win' the bidding contest.

You can see how in the final minute of an auction all kinds of bidding breaks loose. Putting in a large bid really early and expecting eBay's proxy to do the job for you will usually just make sure your bid is the floor for the final bidding. So that is self defeating.

If I REALLY want an item, I am willing to put a large number in my one and final bid and attempt to hammer the auction into submission and end up with the item. But even then, someone else with deeper pockets can come in and hammer me. If that is the case, so be it. Every once in a while I will press my button looking at a bid of, say $40, knowing I am willing to go to $80 and when the page comes back I find I have been out bid--the bid is $100 with two seconds left. You just have to learn to let that one go.

Getting sucked into back and forth bid raising will just drive the price out of sensibility.

With the advent of the auto snipers, I am competing against machinery that is faster than I am at figuring out when to get the last bid, but that does not really change the value of this strategy.

Pick your personal limit, load up a browser window and fire one shot just as the auction is ending and take what you get.

And if the auction ends when you are not able to be at the browser, put in a bid if you absolutely must, but don't expect to win.

All of that said, I am buying very little off of eBay these days. I was amazed when it first came out that all these old kits that I wanted when I was a kid were still available. So I progressively loaded up on kits and engines that would give me a great classic stunt career.

Now that I find how much time I don't have to build the things, I am realizing I now own enough stunt kits and engines for the remainder of my lifetime. I could make a full time job for several years building these kits and that will never happen as I'd never have a place to put them on the wall. My future building and flying career is complete.

So mostly I just watch.

Good luck, snipers.

Cy

The Cat Whisperer

ama21835 · Nov 01, 2004 01:51 PM

RE: Ebay!! : (#9 source
>Well I did not know there was such a thing as snipping.
>
>So what if two people are snipping the same item?
>
>
>Paul
>
>I am a retread, - I did C/L in my youth and did not know
>what I was doing then other then having fun. And not much
>has changed.

Yeah, that happens to me all the time. Donald Trump and Bill Gates fight over my stuff.

Sparky12366 · Nov 01, 2004 11:12 AM

RE: Ebay!! : (#7 source
>Not sure how that Ebay thing works. I was bidding on one of
>three twisters and I had one won. Last night my son and I
>kept refreshing the screen as the timer went off. YES! we
>won. I went and checked my email and we had been out bidded.
>It was like the guy that won put a time on when he wanted
>his bid to go in, because he won the very second the bidding
>was over.
>What happend? Or how did my screen show one thing and we
>lost?
>
>Thanks
>Paul
>
>I am a retread, - I did C/L in my youth and did not know
>what I was doing then other then having fun. And not much
>has changed.

The best thing to do is when you see an item you want put the very highest price you are willing to pay. Enter it and if you win it was ment to be. If not another one will be along in a few days.

Robert Storick
AMA 12366
Saint Louis,MO.

Gary Weaver · Nov 01, 2004 03:34 PM

RE: Ebay!! : (#10 source
If you want an item on ebay you have to decide how much you are willing to pay, bid that amount and forget about it. If you win fine and if you don't win there will be another auction soon.

Lots of people like to set glued to their computer wasting their life away waiting until the very last second to fire away a bid hoping to win the auction before anyone else has time to place another bid. Some times it works but most of the time it doesn't because there are usually 30 other people all doing the same thing.

If you see something on ebay that you can not live without then bid high on the very first bid and you will win. I once bid $500.00 on an item I know would probably sell for no more than $75.00. I didn't check the auction again until 4 days later after the auction ended and found that I won at $62.00.

pipemakermike · Nov 01, 2004 04:18 PM

RE: Ebay!! : (#11 source
I have also been surprised by Ebay. I had started to use it to buy some tools for my workshop and then dipped my toe in the water by selling a load of kits that I bought years ago and never got round to building. I was amazed by some of the prices. A kit I bought new for a .049 speed model ( a mercury midge) went for $110, that is probably 10 times what I paid for it. Before I knew it I had nearly $1000 in my PayPal account. I am now spending that money on Ebay so far a Brodak 40, a Brodak Galaxy, a SIG Akromaster a Fox 40, a Enya 45 and a NIB Fox 35 from 1957 =- the responsibility of putting that in a Nobler and running it for the first time is a trifle worrying.
So Ebay is just a high-tech way of swaping my junk for someone elses

Regards

Mike