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Minnesotamodeler · Nov 05, 2004 05:58 PM

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I finally got some flight-testing weather and was pretty happy with the handling of my latest, so I'm unveiling it now: Norvel .061 powered, 16" span, 7 oz. weight (w/o engine), some fairly creative control hookups.
Cute?

LeagueCityRalph · Nov 05, 2004 06:33 PM

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LAST EDITED ON Nov-05-04 AT 06:35 PM (CDT)
 
That's real cute. Ray. How's maneuverability. With 70(?) sq. in. and an all-up weight of 10 oz., it should be better than a Scientific "hollow log", no? Especially with a NorVel .061!

Forgot to ask - - How are the stabilators "hinged"? Tubing in plywood?

Ralph Wenzel

Minnesotamodeler · Nov 05, 2004 07:30 PM

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LAST EDITED ON Nov-05-04 AT 07:34 PM (CDT)
 
>That's real cute. Ray. How's maneuverability. With 70(?) sq.
>in. and an all-up weight of 10 oz., it should be better than
>a Scientific "hollow log", no? Especially with a NorVel
>.061!
>
>Forgot to ask - - How are the stabilators "hinged"? Tubing
>in plywood?

It actually has 120 sq. in. wing area (16" span, 7 1/2" avg. chord). It maneuvers OK, loops and eights, a little big but I'm still trimming it; gonna try the CG a little further back. You guessed it on the stabilators; plywood doublers on both sides of the rudders, and a 3/8" long brass eyelet epoxied in, slip fit with .07 wire. A little overkill, I think; much stronger than it looks. I can make it lighter, I think.
--Ray

Elwyn · Nov 06, 2004 09:22 AM

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I think the Sig 1/2A Skyray only has around 108 square inches of wing area and it's a decent enough flyer for a plank wing ship.

Brett Buck · Nov 06, 2004 03:55 PM

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>I think the Sig 1/2A Skyray only has around 108 square
>inches of wing area and it's a decent enough flyer for a
>plank wing ship.

The 2:1 aspect ratio might make a difference!

Brett

Minnesotamodeler · Nov 05, 2004 11:13 PM

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Just bringing it to the top again...surely more than one person has comments?
--Ray

fly123 · Nov 05, 2004 11:21 PM

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Betcha the guys out in the Mojave hanger would love it! Send 'em a picture. When I was out there on business after one their test flights, I saw a old classic control line stunter sitting on a workbench. Looked like someone was getting ready to restore it....

So if you fly it in profile scale, can you do the "DT thing" for one of your maneuvers?

Dave
LA_Flyer

Minnesotamodeler · Nov 06, 2004 08:14 AM

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>Betcha the guys out in the Mojave hanger would love it! Send
>'em a picture. When I was out there on business after one
>their test flights, I saw a old classic control line stunter
>sitting on a workbench. Looked like someone was getting
>ready to restore it....
>
>So if you fly it in profile scale, can you do the "DT thing"
>for one of your maneuvers?
>
>Dave
>LA_Flyer

You know, I thought about that...just couldn't figure a way to do it, or a purpose for it!

JUst for discussion's sake, here's a shot of the controls:
Hmmmm, I keep getting an error message...guess I'll have to try again later.
--Ray

faif2d · Nov 06, 2004 09:50 AM

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LAST EDITED ON Nov-06-04 AT 09:51 AM (CDT)
 
I was out there for business back in 91 and there was a RC Nobler sitting under a bench. Power was by Dynajet! Those guys are at the cutting edge in more than full scale.
The model is very nice, and looks like it should fly just fine. I agree with the sending of a photo out to the Scaled web site, they will appriciate it!

I used to like painting with dope but now I can't remember why. Steve Fauble

Minnesotamodeler · Nov 06, 2004 09:53 AM

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>I was out there for business back in 91 and there was a RC
>Nobler sitting under a bench. Power was by Dynajet! Those
>guys are at the cutting edge in more than full scale.
> The model is very nice, and looks like it should fly
>just fine. I agree with the sending of a photo out to the
>Scaled web site, they will appriciate it!

Just where is this "Scaled" website?
--Ray

faif2d · Nov 06, 2004 01:28 PM

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I used to like painting with dope but now I can't remember why. Steve Fauble

DPMCENTHUSIAST · Nov 07, 2004 12:42 AM

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>Betcha the guys out in the Mojave hanger would love it! Send
>'em a picture. When I was out there on business after one
>their test flights, I saw a old classic control line stunter
>sitting on a workbench. Looked like someone was getting
>ready to restore it....
>
>So if you fly it in profile scale, can you do the "DT thing"
>for one of your maneuvers?
>
>Dave
>LA_Flyer

They awarded the 10 Million dollar check to the Mohave team today in a ceramony here in St.Louis today, and I was lucky enough to get to attend before I went to work. The whole Scaled Composites team was there, Mike Mehlvil arriving late from a previous commitment and overflying the outdoor presentation. All the big wigs were there, Paul Allen, Erik Lindburgh, a member of the Ansari family. I wa really pretty neat, and when it was over , a member of the team flew a R/C concept model of the Space Ship One. I could stick around, but afterwards they moved inside to the St.Louis Science Center to spend the rest of the day talking to the crowd and aswering questions. Wish I could have attended the rest of it.
Dan McEntee

Type at you later

Serge Krauss · Nov 06, 2004 10:06 AM

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Ray-

That's a pretty impressive plane - some nice ideas. What length lines are you using? Please update us on handling changes with new c.g. It should have an ample useable c.g. range. It's a pleasure to see your clever realization of Spaceship One in 1/2-A.

SK

Serge Krauss

Minnesotamodeler · Nov 06, 2004 02:30 PM

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Steve,
Thanks for the website info. I'll check it out.

Serge:
So far, I've used only 35' lines. After I get it trimmed out to my satisfaction, I'll probably try it on 42'. Looks like I'll be able to get it out today, so perhaps I'll have a report on the more-aft CG tonight.
--Ray

Minnesotamodeler · Nov 07, 2004 08:53 AM

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I did send my pics to the Scaled people, along with a brief explanation. I don't expect a reply, but it would be cool if they sent one! If so, I'll share it with you-all.
--Ray

DesignMan · Nov 08, 2004 09:27 PM

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Rutan was a competition modeler if I recall right. I would bet on a nice reply.

Why not fire a copy of the picture to Frank Fanelli at Flying Models. I expect he would be delighted to publish the design.

[email protected]

Good luck!

Larry Renger
think S.M.A.L.L.

Swordsman18 · Nov 08, 2004 09:30 PM

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>Rutan was a competition modeler if I recall right. I would
>bet on a nice reply.
>
>Why not fire a copy of the picture to Frank Fanelli at
>Flying Models. I expect he would be delighted to publish
>the design.
>
>[email protected]
>
>Good luck!

I second that. This is really a *lovely* concept/design. I would love to build one, and Flying Models has a long history of publishing this type of design. Thanks for the pictures!

Andy

"Real Engines Have Black Cylinder Fins and Red Heads"

Minnesotamodeler · Nov 09, 2004 10:43 AM

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>>Rutan was a competition modeler if I recall right. I would
>>bet on a nice reply.
>>
>>Why not fire a copy of the picture to Frank Fanelli at
>>Flying Models. I expect he would be delighted to publish
>>the design.
>>
>>[email protected]
>>
>>Good luck!
>
>I second that. This is really a *lovely* concept/design. I
>would love to build one, and Flying Models has a long
>history of publishing this type of design. Thanks for the
>pictures!
>
>Andy


Larry and Andy,
Thanks for the enocuraging words...this is the *first* version; I have several mods ready to try, for better strength, a more accurate scale-like appearance, flyability, etc. So I may hold off on the Flying Models thing until I've built and flown an "improved edition" (at this point probably next Spring). But it is an interesting suggestion.
I must confess, I smushed the model last time out. I was doing outsides, got a little low (it turns bigger than I like, that'll be fixed on the next one) and pancaked it in inverted on some pretty hard ground. Upon cursory inspection, I found only a longitudinal crack in the upper part of the fuselage that seemed pretty superficial. So in my eagerness to take advantage of perhaps the last good flying weather up here, I broke one of my cardinal rules and put it back up again rather than taking it back home for a thorough checkover (don't tell me you've never done that). Well, I paid the price...about halfway through the next flight, the fuselage suddenly folded at the LE and swung into the outboard wing...I won't describe the carnage in detail but you can imagine the resulting mess. To use you guys' expression, it sort of "re-kitted" itself in midair. I"ve about got it together again--the repairs have gone smoother than its sad appearance would indicate. But it's probably through flying till the Spring, and maybe forever if I get the next one built soon. Such is the life of prototypes; I've got my walls full of 'em!
--Ray

Dr Spark · Nov 10, 2004 05:22 PM

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The video of Spacedship One was broadcast a couple weeks ago on the History Channel.

Being also a graduate of Cal Poly in San Luis Obispo, I can imagine Bert Rutan experimenting at the little 2000' runway at Cal Poly. I used to use the runway to fly R/C models.

Floyd