Stuka Stunt Control Line Forum
Archive, 2000–2021 · recovered from the Internet Archive
Forums › Stuka Stunt Main Forum

Help with this plane! (St. Louis area, esp.)

Stuka Stunt Main Forum · 9 of 9 known posts recovered

Bill Little · Nov 06, 2004 02:02 PM

#0 source
Hi All,
From the PAMPA site:

http://www.control-line.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=23

"The late Jim Kostecky and his famous Formula S. McCoy 40, hangs in Schaefer Hobbies in South St. Louis. "

Is Schaefer's still in business? If not, does anyone know what happened to this ship?

I would really, really (did I say REALLY)? like some detail photos of it.

Thanks,
Bill <><

When the character of a man is not clear to you, look at his friends.
Japanese Proverb

Currell · Nov 06, 2004 02:06 PM

#1 source
Which category is it in? Currell

Bill Little · Nov 06, 2004 02:19 PM

#2 source
"Classic" pg. 4
Sorry
Bill <><

When the character of a man is not clear to you, look at his friends.
Japanese Proverb

Sparky12366 · Nov 06, 2004 02:19 PM

#3 source
>Hi All,
>From the PAMPA site:
>
>http://www.control-line.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=23
>
>"The late Jim Kostecky and his famous Formula S. McCoy 40,
>hangs in Schaefer Hobbies in South St. Louis. "
>
>Is Schaefer's still in business? If not, does anyone know
>what happened to this ship?
>
>I would really, really (did I say REALLY)?
>like some detail photos of it.

Yes Shaffers is still there and formula S is there and Art won't sell it. I'll try to get you a pic.

Robert Storick
AMA 12366
Saint Louis,MO.

Bill Little · Nov 06, 2004 02:30 PM

#4 source
Thanks, Robert!
I have the mag with the article, and the mods to the plans from Mr. Kostecky.
The mag pitures are not real clear.
Bill <><

When the character of a man is not clear to you, look at his friends.
Japanese Proverb

DPMCENTHUSIAST · Nov 07, 2004 12:52 AM

#5 source
>Hi All,
>From the PAMPA site:
>
>http://www.control-line.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=23
>
>"The late Jim Kostecky and his famous Formula S. McCoy 40,
>hangs in Schaefer Hobbies in South St. Louis. "
>
>Is Schaefer's still in business? If not, does anyone know
>what happened to this ship?
>
>I would really, really (did I say REALLY)?
>like some detail photos of it.
>
>Thanks,
>Bill <><
>
Hi Bill; It is hanging in the new shop Art Schaefer Jr opened, was moved there from the original shop. If you ever get to VSC and Greg Zajack ( sp?) has his there, it is more or less an exaxct copy. I believe that as Jim got through with a mask or template while painting his plane, Greg applied it to his plane and painted. Only differance is the cartoon character on the wing. I think I have some good picks of Gregs airplane from VSC a few years back. I remember some one carrying on about that plane being Jim's original Formula S, and when I told him it wasn't and where the original plane was, he didn't believe me. I think Greg has his name in very small letters under the canopy, but I might be wrong. Both are beautufull airplanes.

Dan McEntee

>When the character of a man is not clear to you, look at his
>friends.
>Japanese Proverb

Type at you later

Bill Little · Nov 07, 2004 11:40 AM

#6 source
Hi Dan,
Check your email.
Thanks
Bill <><

When the character of a man is not clear to you, look at his friends.
Japanese Proverb

Greg Zajack · Nov 08, 2004 02:35 AM

#7 source
My hope is that “someday” that Formula “S”, will make it’s way to
the AMA Museum where is should reside. It is one of the best
surviving examples of that era of Jet design.

For those that do not know how the plane go to it's present location.
Here is the story that Jim told me.......many times!

At the Team Trails in 1968 or 1969 a man approached Jim telling him
that he worked with a children’s group. And if he had a plane
like the Formula "S", he could inspire his group to get into the
hobby. Jim being a teacher fell for the story and “gave” the
guy the plane. Jim later found out, that the man just turned around
and sold to Shaffer’s Hobby Shop.

Jim later called Shaffer’s, hoping to borrow the plane to fly at the
next NATS. He offered to leave as much money as he could scrape
together as a security deposit. Shaffer turned him down cold.
He told Jim that no one could offer him enough money to part with that plane, or for it to even leave the store.

I was in St. Louis several years ago. It was so hidden behind stacked
boxes I could only see the tail and about one half of the wing. Not a
great venue for such a historic model. Now it looks to be displayed a little better. But it has survived, that is one positive.
Guess one has to thank Shaffer for hanging it on the wall and not letting anyone have it, not even Kostecky.

Maybe someone within PAMPA with some clout could send a letter to Mr. Shaffer suggesting that if anything happens to the hobby shop it could be willed to the AMA Museum. Since it is an “original” design of the era. Which seems to be what they are looking for to be accepted into their collection. I only suggest this because I know what happens when a hobby shop owner passes or a shop closes. Many times the contents end up in a construction dumpster. Since the survivors or landlord have no emotional attachment to the contents of the shop.
There is never any guarantee that a quick buyer can be found for the contents. This is what happenned when a local hobby shop closed. All the dusty planes on the wall and ceiling got their final flight into a dumpster. Sad!

My reference to originals above is because, the AMA Museum turned down having Jim’s surviving “Cutlass” design in their collection. The one that was built for the construction article in Stunt News. Because it was not an "original" plane of the era.

Here is hoping the Formula "S" will someday make it into the AMA collection were it really belongs!


Greg Zajack

PS: I still have a pretty good looking Formula "S", it will make it's way to VSC at some point again. And I have Jim's "Talon" that was used in the Flying Models article. It was one of the few planes that we were able to rescue from his estate, before his children filled the dumpster with his "stuff" on his passing. But that is another very long sad story. Plan on restoring the "Talon" at some point in the future.


cwmcmillin · Nov 08, 2004 03:32 AM

#8 source
Greg,
It is very sad that Jim's children didn't realize his significance to the hobby. I flew at a contest at the old Cleveland Airport site in the early nineties and he and his wife were in attendance. She seemed very aware of his popularity then. I wonder what happened?

However this kind of thing happens all the time. An old man died recently and his hangar full of projects were disposed of in a way that would have made less than a tenth of what the articles and prodject airplanes should have sold for, even if they had paid a broker.
And yes, many incidentals that would have helped those in need of "just that right detail", were tossed in the dumpster.
Chris...