Smaller Stunt Ship

I want to scratch build a full bodied stunt plane for the LA .15. I'm not too familiar with what's out there. Maybe a military plane, can someone please give some suggestions.

I don't know about a fullbody plane but Hobby Fastners has a Ron Burn's p51 Profile Mustang that was made for the LA 15. See Ya NEAL

The Veco Papoose, Tom Tom, Brave, Warrior
Also in the 60's & 70's, Sterling made a full bodied Ringmaster Jr, called a Flash?
Lil' Blue Angel, Scarinzi? American Modeler from late 50's or early 60's
Don Hollfelder has a 19 powered Stunter published in MAN, mid 70's.

Some of the above are a little too much for the Fox 15X, but your LA 15 should have the extra power (and weight) to pull a larger plane.

I vote for the Papoose.
Had one with an Enya 19 back in '72. It was PLENTY of engine. It's pretty much a "mini" Chief.
Bill <><

Perhaps George Aldrich's full fuselage Peacemaker. Originally powered by an Oliver Tiger .15 diesel.

There are several English designs which might interest you. One is Alan Hewitt's Ambassador, pub. 12/51 Aeromodeller, OTS legal. A strange and interesting airplane is the Dingbat pub. 1/54 Model Aircraft. The Scimitar, 1/58 Model Aircraft is a nice airplane. The Lucky Lady, 7/55 Model Aircraft is a fairly simple, attractive airplane. Something more complex, with eliptical surfaces, is the Satellite, 2/65 Model Aircraft. These later airplanes are all Classic era airplanes.

Jim

What comes to mind is the Lil Tbird, or the Jr Nobler.

You can see many .15 size designs (including some mentiond by JT) at my site!

The Scimitar (45" span) is a favourite.

Tony

Blue Pants is a popular choice for a .15 size model mine is a really nice flying model it can do all the manouvers that I can do even managed a cloverleaf last year. I have a spare copy of the plan if you want to try one.
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Regards

Mike

Leonard has plans for a full fuselage version of the Shark 15 called the "Leopard Shark". I'm not sure who designed the fuselage, but it is a sweetie, very unique look. I'll email you a peek...get the plans from Leonard, if you like it. Steve

>Blue Pants is a popular choice for a .15 size model mine is
>a really nice flying model it can do all the manouvers that
>I can do even managed a cloverleaf last year. I have a
>spare copy of the plan if you want to try one.

Hi Mike, What is the wing area of this model? I like its
looks. I have lots of .15 diesels that need a nice home.

OH go with the "NATSWINNER" It's old time but so kool. BTW...IT'S hard to build.

Blue Pants is a surprisingly competant and efficient little stunter, will do the whole book better than any other non-flapped model I know of, as well as flapped designs. Worth remembering it won the 1954 World Champs!
I met the designer, Henri Stouffs, at the '58 and '59 Criterium d'Europe, in Brussels. Really nice guy, he spoke absolutely perfect English, due to the fact his father worked for Sabena in England. I was surprised to discover he went to the same school as me in Ealing, London, although he was a bit ahead of me.
In '59 we discovered the Brit team was a man short, so Kev Lindsey (the other man using a pipe at the '66 W/C's) and I approached the Brit team manager, resulting in us going to Henri's model shop in Brussels, buying a Flite Streak kit, building it in the shop, and having it back for processing 6 hours later! But I digress! Henri also had a most attractive wife who had a devastating forehand smash at table tennis. I guess we all queued up to get beaten!

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I would vote for the Jr. Nobler, too - or the Little T-bird. I had a 29 on my Top Flite Peacemaker. I think a 15 would be too small for that one.

Igor made one called the "Tiny" here:

http://www.netax.sk/hexoft/stunt/thetiny.htm

There was a design many years ago in MAN called the Mini-Brute. I believe it was more for 19 - 25's, but a modern 15LA would probably be plenty:

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I'm toying with the idea of drawing up my own plans for a mini-Ares or mini-Cobra for my old Veco 19. I'll post them if I ever get them done, but don't hold your breath.

>I want to scratch build a full bodied stunt plane for the LA
>.15. I'm not too familiar with what's out there. Maybe a
>military plane, can someone please give some suggestions.
>
>
>Thanks,
>Giffy

Giffy;

Have you thought of reducing a 40-65 size plane down? The LA15 should be able to fly a plane in the 400sq in size (a flite streak is 390) with no problem, maybe a little larger. If the original is 600 squares 400 squares would be 66.67% so you reduce the original plans by the square root of 66.67% or 81.65%. Easy to calculate with a calculator or an excel or lotus spreadsheet.

Find a nice flying design you like the looks of reduce the plans and start building. You will have to make allowances in the balsa thickness for strength & common sizes.

Actually, for the LA 15, I wouldn't go over 375 sq.in., and 350 is probably safer. I did have a 400 sq.in. Zilch with a .15, but it only weighed 16 ounces complete! It was not overpowered!

Airfoil thickness and weight are definite considerations when estimating wing area capability. A .19 diesel is OK on a Flite Streak, but not exciting. That is a very thick, low aspect ratio wing. The Zilch was low aspect ratio, but thin airfoil.

You probably want to start on the safe, overpowered side and then refine the size from there. Underweight, overpowered planes fly too fast, overweight, underpowered planes fly once.

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I've been looking at a P-39 Airacobra. I was thinking 305 Sq. in. wing. Anyone got 3 veiws?

Take a look at Brodak's Vampire kit--it may be the same one that plans are for sale on Combat Plans, Barry Baxter's site. I don't think Leonard has the plan. Looks like it would be about right for a modern .15, tho.

>Take a look at Brodak's Vampire kit--it may be the same one
>that plans are for sale on Combat Plans, Barry Baxter's
>site. I don't think Leonard has the plan. Looks like it
>would be about right for a modern .15, tho.

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I haven't seen the Vampire or the Shark kits that Brodak makes listed on his site. I'll have to get there to see if it's been updated.
Dennis

Jim Lee won our contest here in Tulsa with a "Hummingbird" once upon a time. He was using a FP-15, flew very well, abet a little twitchey, an elegant airplane.

Dennis, Carl - I built the prototype Vampire for John and flew it with Fox .29 from the early fifties. I haven't used any of the modern (FP or LA) .15s but they may be marginal. The .29 seemed just right. Dan flies an LA .15 on a Jr. Magician and it seems like a perfect combo. There might be something out there that size for a .15
Is the Jr Nobler any good for a modern .15?
Bob Z

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I scaled down Mr. Southwick's Skylark to 80% and love it. Fully pattern capable on 52' lines and a lot of fun. Old 70's era Max .20 for power.

Later, John

P.S. to Bigiron. Did you ever get yours built?

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