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Al Rabe · Nov 13, 2004 05:13 PM

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Yesterday I built a new tank for Snaggletooth to clean up the surging at the end of tank. While working on it, I dropped My relatively new Weller 100/140 to the floor and broke it. $30 down the tube. I went to Harbor Freight to get a cheaper replacement and found a 180 watt $12.98 gun on sale for $6.98. I bought it.

It didn't work very well at all, in fact, it was next to unusable. It would heat the solder too quickly vaporizing the flux core but was useless at heating the tank sheet metal, so the solder wouldn't flow or wick into seams. After some failed attempts at soldering, I took the gun back to Harbor Freight. It was a complete loser at any price. Actually, I like Harbor Freight and have purchased many tools there including a drill press, chop saw, belt sander, palm sander, spray gun and drill, to name just a few of my purchases. I have been satisfied. The tools aren't what I'd use for commercial work but work well enough for a hobbyist and are affordable.

So, I reluctantly went to Home Depot and plunked down another $30 for another new Weller 100/140 kit. I really hate to pay that for a soldering gun. At home, I was amazed at the difference when using the Weller. Soldering was quick and easy again and the work proceeded fast and smooth. I guess you just need good equipment to make some jobs go smoothly. I try to justify the cost by rationalizing that I use the gun for tanks, shock gears and retaining flap and elevator pushrods as well as occasional general use.

You also need the correct materials. I build tanks from tank tinplate that I get from Brodak. Each time I order they send me about half a dozen foot square pieces of .007 tank sheet metal each of which will make about 3 tanks. Its also necessary to use electrical solder having rosin flux core and a 50-50% lead/tin composition. Solders with antimony just don't work well and using acid core solders or paste flux will rust the inside of the tank while providing no visible improvement in the bond or ease of use.

With a good gun and proper solder the solder wicks easily into joints leaving little visible on the outside surface of the joint. The difference in ease of use may explain why some people are reluctant to try custom metal tanks to fit those unusual applications where plastic tanks just won't work, and hobby shop tanks won't fit.

I've also seen excellent tanks made from soldering irons, that is, externally heated, heavy, heat retaining irons. Never tried one. The Weller gun works too well. I'm not tempted to change. Besides If I had a soldering iron, I'm so careless that I'd probably lay it down hot and accidentally sit on it.

Al

Bill Little · Nov 13, 2004 05:29 PM

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Hi Al,
Yes sir, you must have the correct tools and proper materials to do a professional job.
I couldn't find replacement tips around here for my Weller, so I just got a Craftsman which is just as nice. Problem is the "high stage" on it is tooo hot at times! I have to back off and go again. When all is right, soldering is a piece of cake. When one step goes wrong, it's a pain in the rear.
Bill <><

When the character of a man is not clear to you, look at his friends.
Japanese Proverb

Bigiron13 · Nov 13, 2004 05:50 PM

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I'm with you on the right tool for the job Al. I have used an old Wen 250 gun since 1955. I bought it to work on starters and generators in the automotive electric business. It heats quickly, but not too hot. It is now so old that I can no longer get new tips for it. I currently have one spare left. A call and E-Mails to the Wen corp resulted in a "no more tips available". "buy a new modern gun". I tried some Weller tips but found that they didn't work nearly good enough.

Bigiron
Thanks for the warning on the HF gun. I use HF a lot also.

Bigiron

Bigiron13

LeagueCityRalph · Nov 13, 2004 06:24 PM

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It is now so old that I can no longer get new tips for it. I currently have one spare left. A call and E-Mails to the Wen corp resulted in a "no more tips available". "buy a new modern gun". I tried some Weller tips but found that they didn't work nearly good
enough.
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> Bigiron

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Hi Marvin,

Try this. Measure the resistance of your remaining new WEN tip. Then bend a new tip from similar-gauge solid-copper wire, and try to match the resistance. It should perform similarly, although the length may be (quite) a bit longer.

I know this a bother, but it should allow you to salvage additional life from your favored tool.


Ralph Wenzel

Bigiron13 · Nov 13, 2004 08:29 PM

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Thanks Ralph. I tried that using the Weller tips but the tip for the Wen is a copper/silver alloy and is some larger than 1/8th inch. I will try it with just copper wire and see what happens. Of course as per murphy's law, about the time I get something figured out or a source of usable tips, the soldering gun will jump off the bench as Al's did and all efforts will be for naught.

Thanks again. I will try it.

Bigiron

Bigiron13

Brad Smith · Nov 13, 2004 10:37 PM

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hey bigiron bob reeves showed me a trick long ago he would use 12 gauge copper wire for a tip in the weller gun just bend it the same size as your old tip it might, work same copper wire that is in romex.

i crash i fix i fly i crash again see ya Brad Smith

Giffy · Nov 13, 2004 07:39 PM

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What did you do to keep the tank from surging at the end?


Thanks,
Giffy

Al Rabe · Nov 13, 2004 11:36 PM

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Changed the hard mounted uniflow vent to a flexible Siamese vent attached to the clunk pickup.

Al