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GLBahrman · Nov 19, 2004 09:09 PM

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LAST EDITED ON Nov-21-04 AT 09:16 AM (CST)
 
I had to put some of the other projects on hold to work on this one. Almost ready to glue parts in place and paint. Still got flaps to do. Going to be Powered by a Rojett 36 AAC. Note: I cut the rear of the fuse off so I could add an adjustable rudder with the vertical hinge line at the end of the fuse. Outline shape and total length remains the same. Stab and elevators updated to 3/8 thick. Worked out OK so far, You think???

Greg L. Bahrman

Sparky12366 · Nov 19, 2004 09:12 PM

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Looks good. What are you using for power? ST G21 46 LOL

Remember the finish starts with the first piece of wood cut.

Robert Storick
AMA 12366
Saint Louis,MO.

GLBahrman · Nov 19, 2004 09:31 PM

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>Looks good. What are you using for power? ST G21 46 LOL

Yeah Robert, if this one comes out tail heavy a ST 46 could end up pulling this one around....Grins

Greg L. Bahrman

vegasstuntguy · Nov 19, 2004 10:35 PM

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Greg, Your Cardinal looks great! I can't wait to see it the next time I make it to Cal. Don't tell any of the Midwest/East coast boys you'll be practicing with it over the winter though, that kind of ribbing wouldn't be fair. Heck, today the weather in Las Vegas was downright miserable, got down to about 70, extremely sunny with absolutely no wind to blow my wake out of the circle. I had to put on a light jacket. Wait a minute...no I didn't.


Bill Ervin

GLBahrman · Nov 19, 2004 11:02 PM

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LAST EDITED ON Nov-19-04 AT 11:42 PM (CST)
 
Yeah, Bill,
I'm going to paint it with SIG paint so any coaching will be appreciated as I know your COBRA was also SIG. Weather here in So. Cal. was a sunny 75 degrees and no wind with blue skys. Cool in the morning and cool as soon as the sun starts to go down......Anyone else have any painting tips for me. It has 4 coats of sig clear on it now thinned 50/50.

Greg L. Bahrman

Randy Powell · Nov 20, 2004 12:10 AM

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Greg,

Look good. The substrate looks very good. Should be a nice base for paint.

Man, the weather here has been fun. Rain, wind and cold. Suppose to clear up, some at least, this weekend. My new plane is closing in on finishing. Soon maybe.

vegasstuntguy · Nov 20, 2004 01:20 AM

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Greg, by the time I got my plane to the point where yours is now I started getting concerned about weight so I cut way back on the finishing products. I'll try to keep this brief but here goes.

The plane is covered in japanese tissue, the tissue went over the cloth hinges, hinge material was a Dave Brown product (coverall I think).

Sanding sealer was only spot applied to the areas where I thought it absolutely needed it, mostly the hinge lines. Even though the plane needed it I didn't go over with spot repair putty. Sealed it all off with a sprayed-on coat of Sig Nitrate clear.

Mixed Sig black with Sig white to make "Polar Gray". Sprayed on one coat of this and was satisfied enough to start my colors. I did not "spray it on, sand it off with 400, spray it on, sand it off with 400, etc." Like I said, I was trying to save weight.

Masking material was plain old 3M blue masking tape. A couple of 2" wide rolls were enough for all the masking/backmasking for my dark colored plane. I slice up my own 1/4",1/8", and even 1/16" widths. This does a couple things. When I lay down a 4'long strip of the tape onto a Formica (or glass,or granite) surface, slice it into my narrow widths, and then roll it back up, the process reduces some of the tackiness. It's an old trick and I certainly didn't invent it. Remember you only need enough tack to keep the tape from creeping while going around corners.
The narrow strips get rolled back onto bottle tops similar to the ones on your typical fuel jug. These are easily handled between a thumb and index finger of one hand while the other hand is free to push the tape around a scallop, or what-have-you. I don't spray the edges with clear prior to laying down the color (laziness, but I've gotten away with it so far). There is a reason why this paragraph is the longest one, all the meticulous work in a typical paint job is in the masking and backmasking!

All my colors are sig and the "freshest" jar I had was about 5 years old. The oldest (red) is about 15. I usually buy it in 4 oz. jars, mixed 50/50 with Sig thinner and that's a lot of one color for me. It gets sprayed on preciously thin, so thin it's actually transluscent. If you put your nose up to my planes you can see the balsawood. I use an old Devilbiss touch-up gun, cup on the bottom. At this point you can still see the grain.

Mix a half gallon Lite coat and a half gallon Sig thinner, some fish-eye killer and Dave Brown flex-all, and spray until it's all gone. Wet sand with 1200, buff with Brasso, wax, the whole schmear.


Old technology by today's standards but I love it. I still glue with Ambroid. I'm typing with Ambroid dried on my fingers right now!

I hope there's something in here that helps Greg. Thank for giving me this chance to share another doping procedure. None of these ideas are mine, they're mostly from Windy.

Bill Ervin

GLBahrman · Nov 20, 2004 09:02 AM

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Thanks Bill

Greg L. Bahrman

Old Sourdough · Nov 21, 2004 04:42 AM

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I agree, knock off the weather reports, please. Some of us are severely weather challenged!

The Old Sourdough
Ruksakinmakiak, Alaska, US of A

Sparky12366 · Nov 21, 2004 07:37 AM

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LAST EDITED ON Nov-21-04 AT 07:39 AM (CST)
 
>Yeah, Bill,
>I'm going to paint it with SIG paint so any coaching will be
>appreciated as I know your COBRA was also SIG. Weather here
>in So. Cal. was a sunny 75 degrees and no wind with blue
>skys. Cool in the morning and cool as soon as the sun starts
>to go down......Anyone else have any painting tips for me.
>It has 4 coats of sig clear on it now thinned 50/50.

Greg my P47 is painted with sig dope. Here's the best way. As your brining it up fo color add some of the color to the clear. I use auto primer on all wood areas. Not on open bays. Sand all of it off before adding the color.

Use no more than 1 pint of color to paint plane. After color use airbrush to do trim. I use Urathane clear top coat for fuel proofer.
I cant say this enough Sandpaper is the key to a good light finish. Sand then sand some more and when your done sand again. after finishing you sand twice with 1500 and then with 2000 grit and then you can buff with micro finishing compond.

After your done with the sanding it will look like X-kote. good luck with your new plane. I just figured you would put the G21/46 that I sold you in it.

Remember the finish starts with the first piece of wood cut.

Robert Storick
AMA 12366
Saint Louis,MO.

GLBahrman · Nov 21, 2004 08:36 AM

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LAST EDITED ON Nov-21-04 AT 02:13 PM (CST)
 
>After your done with the sanding it will look like X-kote.
>good luck with your new plane. I just figured you would put
>the G21/46 that I sold you in it. >

Hi Robert,
I have 2 more similar planes I'm building that will probably be ST 46 powered, This ship already had been setup for the RO JETT 36 before I got the ST 46's. Although the engine is mounted with plates so if I have a balance problem it could end up with a different motor.
Thanks for the paint tips as they are useful to me. This will not be as nice as the P47 but I do want it to look good. Nice to try and learn painting tips on each new plane, hopefully each one will be a little better than the last and I will find a method that I feel comfortable with. Posted picture of short lived "Temporary Insanity". As you can see the new one is similar to the passed version which flew very good..

Greg L. Bahrman

Proparc · Nov 20, 2004 04:44 PM

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As usual, beautiful work Greg. Looking forward to sseing this one on the circle.

Milton Graham\Proparc