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Garf · Dec 02, 2004 11:15 AM

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I found a book on model engines dated 1952. I will be posting pics from it as time permits on my Hangar Flying site. Some of this technology is in danger of being forgotten.

http://hangarflying.proboards18.com/index.cgi

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Dr Spark · Dec 02, 2004 01:01 PM

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I'll post this again. I have reprints of the O&R parts list for the .19, .23 and .60. (all in one). Gives all part names and prices for the sideports. I think this came with each new engine and prices appear to be from about 1946 or so.

Send a SASE for your copy.

Floyd Carter
87211 Louvring Ln.
Eugene, OR 97402

jim ivey · Dec 02, 2004 03:22 PM

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that is an O&R "29"...note th venturi restrictor...had 2 of em i dont recall any of th other O&Rs having this...mine was new in 51...i used it in a "stratocat"....learned to fly on that...jim

sabre250 · Dec 02, 2004 05:49 PM

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All the FRV O&Rs had a pressed metal restrictor in the venturi.
Irwin Ohlsson said that the venturi was stylized by Rice against his better judgment, but he was too nice a bloke to argue over it.
I certainly think the large venturi had superb style and in any case, the restrictor worked well.
I am restoring a Mamiya .29 Glow, which shares a number of O&R features, including a welded cylinder (with extra screws for safety!) and a pressued metal restrictor on a large rectangular venturi.
regards
Dave Owen

David Owen

jim ivey · Dec 02, 2004 09:39 PM

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"Irv" was one of the nicest guys in the business...i didnt know him that well but my dad did....he gave me a whole 1 lb coffee can full of restaked glowplugs

Randy Ryan · Dec 02, 2004 09:02 PM

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There was some pretty neat stuff come out of our model engines over the years. O&R used a deep drawn stamped steel piston in the last of their engines. Some thought it was sort of a takeoff on the Crosley car engine that used stamped parts oven brazed together to make up the block. The GHQ however also used a piston of the same technology years prior to the O&R's. It should also be mentioned the O&R developed diecasting to a high degree and produced some of the lighted engines ever made.

Or how about the M&M and Atom engines that had no bypass (transfer) ports? These used an inner piston that formed a valve at the crown. The outer piston would hit a stop near BDC and the inner piston would go a little farther opening the valve allowing the fresh charge into the cylinder.

The Aero .35 with parallel cylinder and crankshaft.

The Rocket (May) used a yoke to attach the wrist pin (gudgeon pin) to the piston, no wrist pin bosses. The threaded portion passed through the piston head and a stamped piston baffle was held on with a nut threaded onto the yoke. I've often wondered how many guys took them apart and put them back together wiht the baffle out of place!

Allot of independent speed and race car guys developed porting over the years. There were some really wild looking engines with their weird looking bypasses. The Doolings were of that ilk with their spherical bypass.

The Bantam .19, Arden .099 & .10, Atom .09, and others used magnesium cases, some were prewar.

Some forgetable technology: The OK .29 with the cylinder attached with 2 little screws through the goofiest looking "wings". The plain bearing Drone .29 diesel, the slag engnies; Thor, Genie, Rogers, Buss, Syncro, Brown, aluminum of the same mystery alloy used for piston and cylinder. They were cheap and very compact for .29s. Some have been run and used on models and SAM even has an event for them. And what forgetable list would be complete without the Gotham Hobby Deezil! A low in manufacturing technology.

I love this stuff!

Randy Ryan <><
AMA 8500
SAM 36
BO all my own M's

jim ivey · Dec 02, 2004 09:47 PM

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did ya have a "cameron" 19 "bullet"29 or a "super charged" thunderbird 60...you missed those..lol...did you know camerons were made in sonora?

Iskandar Taib · Dec 02, 2004 10:02 PM

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There was a Cameron somethingoranother that was on Indy RC's used engine list for a long long long time. Indy RC used to mail their list out to people who sent in a stack of SASEs, and then came the mad rush to call them or visit the shop (there was a queue outside the door before opening time.. ) on the day when the list went on sale and grab the bargains before anyone else did. The Cameron sat there for months and months - no takers. Now I wish I had actually asked them to take it out of the case so that I could at least see what it looked like.

jim ivey · Dec 02, 2004 11:49 PM

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im not sure if they were used in airplanes they built a car called the "rodsey" it was a teather car made of aluminum hard to start and boring after a few rounds lol

gcb · Dec 03, 2004 05:43 AM

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I had a Cameron .15 when I was a kid. It was way past its usable life when someone gave it to me. He also gave me a Thor .29 and an O&R .23, none runable with my knowledge at the time. Sigh...

George

supercyclone · Dec 02, 2004 11:10 PM

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I still have a "supercharged" thunderbird. I won it in a contest in about 1947 or 48. It did not compare to a good Super Cyclone.
Jim

jim shamblin

jim ivey · Dec 02, 2004 11:50 PM

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yep they were dogs....my uncle had a super cyc in a boxcar....he had crashed it in 47/48.....i fixed it 53 and taught him to fly it...he was a happy camper..still had that thing in 88 when he died...he had a whole bunch of old ignition engines my aunt let all that stuff get away...wouldnt give to me. wasnt there one called a bunch or punch it was a 19 i think there was an arden 19 a bullett 29 an ok 60 and 2 super cycs there were more i had never heard ofand dont remember..jim

Randy Ryan · Dec 03, 2004 05:59 AM

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Jim,

Bunch Aero Tiger of Mighty Midget.

Randy Ryan <><
AMA 8500
SAM 36
BO all my own M's

Randy Ryan · Dec 03, 2004 06:01 AM

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I have 2 Cameron .19s, one I converted spark to ignition, and one 15. There was an earlier Cameron as well, .29 I believe, a sparker but I don't have one.

Randy Ryan <><
AMA 8500
SAM 36
BO all my own M's

dennis · Dec 04, 2004 08:41 AM

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>I have 2 Cameron .19s, one I converted spark to ignition,
>and one 15. There was an earlier Cameron as well, .29 I
>believe, a sparker but I don't have one.
>
>Randy Ryan <><
>AMA 8500
>SAM 36
>BO all my own M's

It was a 23. I bought one new in the box for $70.00. These motors were available right up to about 1979 from a source in California, thats how I got mine.
Dennis

Randy Ryan · Dec 04, 2004 09:17 AM

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Dennis, that's the repro, wish I'd bought one when I had the chance, but I'd just been burned on the ADC/Merril Atom repro and was gunshy about sending money.

Randy Ryan <><
AMA 8500
SAM 36
BO all my own M's

Garf · Dec 02, 2004 11:43 PM

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I have a second page of engines from my archives posted.
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jim ivey · Dec 03, 2004 12:06 AM

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yep just like it never in an airplane

Randy Ryan · Dec 03, 2004 06:01 AM

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Nice old Dennymite

Randy Ryan <><
AMA 8500
SAM 36
BO all my own M's

Garf · Dec 03, 2004 11:07 AM

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Bunch Aero:
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SAVE ALL THE PIECES-Phil Brown

dhutch · Dec 03, 2004 06:09 PM

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For an old sideport .46 or whatever it was, this engine cranked out a lot of power. I remember seeing these when I was considerably younger! I also have a Cameron 19 I bought in 1952 or 3. We flew them in stunt models and they ran quite well. I also used this engine in several of my early Stearmans, 32" span versions. We considered it a junior Orwick 29.

Don

Randy Ryan · Dec 03, 2004 07:15 PM

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OK, here's a few of mine, they are: Bantam .16, Brown "D" .60,
Cameron .19 ignition, Madewell .49, OK Super .60, O&R .60 sideport, Phantom P-30 3rd model, Rocket 4610.

Randy Ryan <><
AMA 8500
SAM 36
BO all my own M's

Swordsman18 · Dec 03, 2004 07:22 PM

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>OK, here's a few of mine, they are: Bantam .16, Brown "D"
>.60,
>Cameron .19 ignition, Madewell .49, OK Super .60, O&R .60
>sideport, Phantom P-30 3rd model, Rocket 4610.
>
>


Don't believe him. I'll bet half of these are fakes that he made himself!

(lovely photos)

Andy

"Real Engines Have Black Cylinder Fins and Red Heads"

Randy Ryan · Dec 03, 2004 07:33 PM

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Right on one count! Guess which one.

Hey Andy, I'm finally finishing that Sabre Stunt, sprayed the silver tonight, trim coming up!

Randy Ryan <><
AMA 8500
SAM 36
BO all my own M's

jim ivey · Dec 03, 2004 08:00 PM

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really cool lookin old motors lol .... those are really neat

jim ivey · Dec 03, 2004 08:01 PM

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i had one of those ...it flew pretty good

Jim T. · Dec 03, 2004 08:20 PM

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I suppose the Cameron 19 is your own doing.

Jim

Randy Ryan · Dec 03, 2004 08:26 PM

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Well, I converted the Cameron to spark, but I built one of the engines to.

Randy Ryan <><
AMA 8500
SAM 36
BO all my own M's

Steve Helmick · Dec 03, 2004 10:30 PM

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Bantam .16 was made by Randy Ryan. I think. I wish Phil B. would reveal the name, author and publisher of this here book. There may be one going on sale at eBay any second now. Steve

Garf · Dec 03, 2004 11:03 PM

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Book is titled "Model Airplane Engines" by Donald K. Foote. Copyright 1952. I remember also a book of his titled " All About Model Airplane Engines". The bulk of the engine pics were taken from our favorite auction site.

SAVE ALL THE PIECES-Phil Brown

Randy Ryan · Dec 04, 2004 09:15 AM

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Right Steve, I cloned the Bantam.

Randy Ryan <><
AMA 8500
SAM 36
BO all my own M's

V12 · Dec 06, 2004 07:12 AM

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How about this strange one?
It's a Melcraft that I bought out of a garage. I had it for a few years before I learned what it was!
They called it "supercharged" - I guess because the intake was in front?
It's new - someday I'll run it. Anyone know about these gems?

Bob Z.

Randy Ryan · Dec 06, 2004 07:15 AM

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Bob,

I always thought the die maker got mixed up and put the intake on the wrong side and Melcraft, rather then waste the money to correct it came up with the "Supercharged". Really just a sideport, not much for performance. If memory serves correctly the Melcraft was made here in Michigan, up near Saginaw.

Randy Ryan <><
AMA 8500
SAM 36
BO all my own M's

Rustler · Dec 06, 2004 05:28 PM

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Owners of old E.D. Mk.2 and Competition Special engines can experiment with them by turning the cylinder/piston round so the intake faces the front. You can then arrange the prop to pass the intake just as the port opens, and see if you get any increase in power. No prizes for guessing. One advantage though, it makes your engine a lot shorter.

Ian R.