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Larry Cunningham · Dec 05, 2004 10:17 PM

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I've wanted to get some input from you guys for some time. Recently I've been working on another iteration of drawings for the Brodak Mo'Best, which includes several sheets of laser cuttings, as well as plan drawings. In the process, I've picked up a couple of tips, but I would welcome more.

I'm using AutoCAD 2000 LT, which is essentially a lightweight 2D version of the full blown AutoCAD. Nevertheless I find it quite capable for my needs.

The first thing I found out about is that laser cutters are fed material which is not completely uniform in areas. For that reason, you don't want to try use absolutely all the available material. You need to leave a little cutter clearance and reserve around the edges. For example, the 3 x 24 inch stab sheet for the Mo'Best got resized to 2-7/8 x 23-7/8, which allows a 1/16" border around it for the laser cutter.

In conjunction with this, I draw a rectangle box, which has its lower left corner at 0,0. This is not on Layer 0 (the laser cutter layer), but on a Text layer, which can easily be turned off. I use the OFFSET command to draw another box inside this, with a 1/16" offset. This smaller box is 1/8" less in both dimensions than my "native" material.
And I locate all the parts within the smaller box, which assures my 1/16" clearance on all sides.

I'm told to plan on a laser cutter width of about .005", although in most cases it can be ignored. Still, if I want a nice crisp fit for an 1/8" sheet in a notch, I draw the notch .120" instead of .125" (1/8"), and the laser cutter width will make it slightly wider.

Also, the laser cutter width is a function of thickness of the material, laser power, speed of motion, etc.

In terms of material usage, obviously it is better to use fairly standard sizes, in 6" intervals of length.

Another thing is to allow some breaks in the laser cutter paths, so the parts don't fall out of the sheet after they are cut. It doesn't take much, for example a 1/8" break in a laser cutter line can hold the material together in a sheet, and yet be easily cut with a #11 Exacto blade to free it. In consideration of this, I like to locate these interruptions on a straight line if possible, and a line which is usually aligned with the wood grain (for easy cutting).

An easy way to accurately make the interruptions is to simply draw a small circle (1/8" diameter) at the point, which is then selected as a TRIM object and trim out its center, then erase it, leaving a 1/8" gap.

I have found that 1/8" is not necessarily the optimum gap size for the interruption on laser cuts. It depends on material. For example, the 3/32" hard birch plywood I use for nose doublers and engine crutch laminations cuts beautifully, but a 1/16" long gap is adequate to hold the part. Similar comment for 1/64" plywood cuttings.

Another thing I want to do for laser cutter drawings is to eliminate redundant lines. These easily crop up in normal drawings and often we just leave them. However, for a laser cutter, these lines may force the laser to make an unecessary cut.

In the normal course of drawing, I like to generate blocks, which allow me to "re-use" drawing pieces easily. For example, I encapsulate and entire rib template in a block, which can then easily be inserted within a drawing. Or copied to the clipboard and taken to a different drawing.

There are some gotchas to deal with in AutoCAD with blocks. For example, suppose I create a block R1 which is a rib template in drawing A. And I also have a (different) block R1 in drawing B, which is also a rib template. If I use the clipboard to copy and paste R1 from drawing A to drawing B, AutoCAD will happily ignore the new block and substitute the existing block R1 in the second drawing. This can cause subtle problems.

Associated with blocks is the EXPLODE command, which breaks up a block. Note that you can have several "layers" of heirarchy in a block too. For example, I made drawings for several pieces of a trailing edge assembly, named TE1, TE2, TE3, and TE4. It is very convenient to deal with them as blocks, and I can quickly draw up the entire trailing edge assembly simply by placing copies of the blocks TE1 through TE4. Then I can make a convenient block for the entire assembly, which I might call TE.

This all works great, but as I said, you often would like to eliminate redundant lines that border two joined pieces. So a laser cutter drawing would like to EXPLODE the blocks down to primitives (lines, arcs, points, circles, polylines, etc.) and eliminate redundant traces.

When you use the EXPLODE, it may need to be used repeatedly if there are "nested" levels of blocks.

If you want to eliminate redundant lines, I have no doubt there is some fabulously good automatic way to do it, perhaps with a macro or something. But what I end up doing on parts which share a line border is to use ERASE, and select lines one by one, erasing until the last one goes, and then using UNDO to put that one back.

With some laser cutter software, it may be capable of doing this sort of cleanup all by itself, I don't know. But it is nice to start with an efficient, clean drawing if possible, right?

Another entity I like to exploit is the polyline. This allows you to join multiple line segments and line objects into a single entity. The laser cutter can smoothly trace a continuous path of this joined group of lines.

To do the drawing cleanup process efficiently, I normally add the laser cutter interruptions first. Then I select the entire drawing and use EXPLODE multiple times to get down to the lowest level, no blocks left. Then I use the PEDIT command (polyline edit) selecting multiple lines, and I select the entire drawing. At this point, the PEDIT command will ask to convert any non-polyline entities into polylines, and I answer Y to let it do this. I complete the command by using the JOIN function, and it creates several polylines, depending on the line interruptions. You can "see" these lines by selecting and highlighting them.

Finally, I try to clean up the drawing by using the PURGE command, which eliminate unused entities, including layers, line types, blocks, etc. This can reduce the size of the drawing considerably.

One other thing. The Brodak laser cutter lets me include a CYAN colored line on the laser cutter layer (layer 0, a GREEN line is used for the cutter mark). The CYAN line can be used to do a low power cut for marking the parts. Obviously, for this function, you want to chose a very simple stroke font for the part names, I use ROMANS.SHX for the Standard font. Also, although you can use long words for names, it is not efficient use of the laser time. Why say Left (Inboard Flap), when you can name it FL1? So, the rudder pieces are RD1, RD2, RD3, etc.

When the operator gets ready to do the laser cut, he can turn off all but Layer 0 and have the laser cuts (polylines, with interruptions), and the annotations. And the lower left corner of the drawing is at 0,0, which may or may not make it easier for his material alignment with respect to the drawing.

These are "tips" that I can pass on from using AutoCAD. I know various people are using Corel and other CAD packages with good success, so some of these things may not apply.

In addition, I suspect the more experienced laser cutters out there can provide some corrections, improvements, etc. over what I have described here. I'd like to open this thread to solicit all such information as you are willing to share.

(I feel like Columbo here: "Just one more thing, Sir--"). I should also mention using layers. The laser operator told me to use the default Layer 0 for the laser cut information. Depending on what else you have in your drawing, you may have some more. For example, I add a TEXT layer and on it I put - TEXT! and also some dimensions of the main sheet. The laser operator will turn off all but the appropriate layer(s) when he cuts, so you need to make absolutely sure the laser cutter lines are on that layer!

Another CAD information parameter is often line COLOR. Although I always used a white background and simple black/white lines in the past, I have discovered that most of the serious AutoCAD jocks set up to use something with a lot of contrast and good visibility, say a black or dark gray background, with high visibility green lines. Obviously, if your laser cutter keys on a color as well as a layer, pay mind to that as well.

While it can be helpful to use many layers in a CAD drawing, for the laser cutter drawing, I keep it to a minimum - 3 layers. Layer 0, the cutter layer, layer TEXT for text and sheet dimension text, and layer DEFPOINTS, which is automatically generated when you add a dimension annotation.

Again, the PURGE command can be used to eliminate unused layers.

Thanks in advance for any help and input!

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Steve Knapp · Dec 06, 2004 12:21 AM

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Backround is something like color #262 or something near there that gives the gray color. Don't have my last setups handy that show what it was. We used Architectural Desktop 2000i.

Surprised that you use the default layer 0 as that is normally never used for any of the actual drawing.

We used color #9 for the notes (text) layer as it shows on the monitor as white. Some use #17 but the black just doesn't look right against the gray backround.

Does the ACAD printable line width have any affect on the laser cut dimension? Just wondered as green is a very wide line in most setups.

Just as an aside, does 2000LT have xref in it? You might want to use it although I don't know how it would fit in with what you are drawing.

You might also go into to the "wall styles" if 2kLT has it in there. You could set a wall style (parallel lines) to have the distance for the laser cutter offset and then you would not have to trim corners, etc., as they would be self healing. I "think" you can set the offset line to be one layer and the actual line to be another (not sure). Would save some time maybe.

Also, we always drew the main body of the drawing in model space and then added the dimensioning and notes (text) in paper space. That way you could move the text and such around without messing up the drawing.

Was working for an A/E firm until a few weeks ago when all (2) of us non-owners got cut. No work in this area. Had spent the last 3 weeks there just going in and scanning the internet most of the day as we had no work and no prospect of any upcoming.

Larry Cunningham · Dec 06, 2004 11:32 AM

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Steve, I appreciate your help!

>Backround is something like color #262 or something near
>there that gives the gray color. Don't have my last setups
>handy that show what it was. We used Architectural Desktop
>2000i.
>

262 is not a legal color, however 252 is. I had been using 137, which is almost identical in shade. 137 results in black/white lines displayed white, while 252 has them displayed black.

>Surprised that you use the default layer 0 as that is
>normally never used for any of the actual drawing.
>

I didn't select this, it is just the convention that Brodak is currently using. So I'm sure other conventions are used.

>We used color #9 for the notes (text) layer as it shows on
>the monitor as white. Some use #17 but the black just
>doesn't look right against the gray backround.
>

I've selected the Black/White option, as I mentioned.

>Does the ACAD printable line width have any affect on the
>laser cut dimension? Just wondered as green is a very wide
>line in most setups.
>

I don't believe it does. I've been given no line width specifications, so I assume that information is not used.

>Just as an aside, does 2000LT have xref in it? You might
>want to use it although I don't know how it would fit in
>with what you are drawing.
>

Yes, it has XREF and I have used it. A well organized setup would keep the XREF objects in a convenient "library" type of file. The advantage, of course is that you make a change and it appears in all drawings using the XREF. Of course, the XREF has to be present when you export the file, but I agree, it is a good feature to use.

>You might also go into to the "wall styles" if 2kLT has it
>in there. You could set a wall style (parallel lines) to
>have the distance for the laser cutter offset and then you
>would not have to trim corners, etc., as they would be self
>healing. I "think" you can set the offset line to be one
>layer and the actual line to be another (not sure). Would
>save some time maybe.
>

This is not a supported feature of 2KLT. I note that in general, you can object snap to any reference points on objects on any layer which is on, and that includes entities within unexploded blocks. (Seems like that was not the case in an old version I had been using..)

>Also, we always drew the main body of the drawing in model
>space and then added the dimensioning and notes (text) in
>paper space. That way you could move the text and such
>around without messing up the drawing.
>

Good idea, I just put all that stuff on a TEXT layer and can turn it on or off or freeze or thaw as needed. However, 2KLT lets you define as many Layout spaces as you want, and you can easily do what you suggest.

>Was working for an A/E firm until a few weeks ago when all
>(2) of us non-owners got cut. No work in this area. Had
>spent the last 3 weeks there just going in and scanning the
>internet most of the day as we had no work and no prospect
>of any upcoming.

I'm sorry to hear this, it's a raw deal. Keep the faith.

But look at it this way - at least you're not in marketing or management.. < Anyone in marketing or management here tonite? Kill yourself! >

You'd be surprised at how many self-taught hacks are around, pretending to be CAD draftsmen. In my case, I have an excuse - I don't do it for a living, just for model airplane plans..

Thanks for your help!

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catdaddy · Dec 06, 2004 10:29 AM

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Larry,
For duplicate entities try the command "overkill"
You have to type it in at the command prompt.
At the select entites prompt simply type in "a" for all and hit return. There are several other options you can select with the dialog box. I'm not sure whether this command is available in your version of Acad Lt.

If you want to use a block from one drawing in a different drawing that has a block that has the same name, you first need to use the "Rename" command for one or the other blocks. Type in "Rename" select the block, hit return and give a new name.

Also be aware that the Defpoints layer is a layer autocad usually creates with any new drawing. Anything on this layer WILL NOT plot or print. I'm not sure how lasers react to this layer. I generally use this layer for notes that I don't want to show up on the final construction document hard copies.

Steve,
Dimensions should ALWAYS be drawn in model space with the actual model you are building. Paper space is to be avoided unless you are working with 3d models. For A&E firms paper space is far to complicated for the average user. Xref's and model space are much easier. Give me a call sometime. I've been working with drawing automation for large prototypical construction projects for over 10 years.

regards,
Rick "catdaddy" Blankenship

edit
262 is not a valid color in Autocad.
252 is a valid grey.
most users in this region use black as a backgound for the reason Larry mentions.

Larry Cunningham · Dec 06, 2004 11:41 AM

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>Larry,
>For duplicate entities try the command "overkill"
>You have to type it in at the command prompt.
>At the select entites prompt simply type in "a" for all and
>hit return. There are several other options you can select
>with the dialog box. I'm not sure whether this command is
>available in your version of Acad Lt.
>

Hi Rick. Sorry, OVERKILL is not a command in 2KLT. Sounds like something I need.

>If you want to use a block from one drawing in a different
>drawing that has a block that has the same name, you first
>need to use the "Rename" command for one or the other
>blocks. Type in "Rename" select the block, hit return and
>give a new name.
>

Yes, I neglected to mention, the RENAME works well for that
and is a good workaround for that situation.

>Also be aware that the Defpoints layer is a layer autocad
>usually creates with any new drawing. Anything on this layer
>WILL NOT plot or print. I'm not sure how lasers react to
>this layer. I generally use this layer for notes that I
>don't want to show up on the final construction document
>hard copies.
>

Yes, what the DEFPOINTS layer is used for it to hold points for dimensioning. If you remove all dimensioning from a drawing (rare), you'll find that PURGE can delete DEFPOINTS. No sure how much it costs to a drawing anyway..

Good idea to add local notes and unprintable information on it.

>Steve,
>Dimensions should ALWAYS be drawn in model space with the
>actual model you are building. Paper space is to be avoided
>unless you are working with 3d models. For A&E firms paper
>space is far to complicated for the average user. Xref's
>and model space are much easier. Give me a call sometime.
>I've been working with drawing automation for large
>prototypical construction projects for over 10 years.
>
>regards,
>Rick "catdaddy" Blankenship
>

Rick - my thanks to you and Steve. Already I've been helped.

>edit
>262 is not a valid color in Autocad.
>252 is a valid grey.
>most users in this region use black as a backgound for the
>reason Larry mentions.

Actually, I like the 252 grey better myself, it has good contrast and is easy on the eyes. 137 works well, similar shade, but black/white lines are displayed white, which is very contrasty and readable.

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Steve Knapp · Dec 06, 2004 03:36 PM

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Only time we had problems with dimensions in paper space was when we had multiple viewports with different scale factors. We would sometimes have a sheet scale factor of 48 and a viewport of 16 and sometimes it was real difficult to force the dim's to follow along correctly.

Usually the only other problem was when we cut off part of a drawing from model space with the edge of the viewport. Dim's could not locate an endpoint to place the defpoint. Just drew a few auxiliary lines to locate some points.

On some drawings we would have as many as 12 viewports for small repetitive details like foundations/piers/stem walls but usually 5 to 6 was the most. Played hell with the memory sometimes but a purge and reboot would normally take care of it. 2ki Arch DeskTop did not seem to allocate memory very efficiently, but part of that was the title block page that we used. It was a carry over from another firm and the blocks that made it up were kind of goofy.

Broken Wings · Dec 06, 2004 12:41 PM

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>I'm told to plan on a laser cutter width of about .005",
>although in most cases it can be ignored. Still, if I want a
>nice crisp fit for an 1/8" sheet in a notch, I draw the
>notch .120" instead of .125" (1/8"), and the laser cutter
>width will make it slightly wider.
>

I'm not a Autocad user but.... You should never "Fudge" the dimensions on your model/CADD Drawing. If the notch is supposed to be .125" you should draw it .125".

From what I understand about Autocad is that it is a Design/Drafting software program, not a CAM software program.

The software that runs the laser should/does have Cutter Compensation that allows the operator to adjust the .005" width in the lasers control. This Cutter Comp also determines whether the laser cuts on the left or right side of the line or "on" the line.
The operator can "Lie" to the cutter and adjust the way that the laser cuts the parts. (Tell the control that the laser is actually .010" when it is really .005")

The lasers control software converts your centerline data to machine code that the laser uses to perform various functions like Laser on, Laser off, feed rate, etc.

The Autocad file is nothing more than "Centerline Data". The file(s) that you send to the laser cutting outfit are in usually in .DWG .DXF format.

This file is used as the "The Standard" by which all parts are cut. Changing the dimensions will only cause you headaches when you go to dimension your drawing or put your model airplane together in this case.

If the operator needs to check a dimension to see if "His" laser is cutting correctly and checks your slot on the your Autocad drawing and he comes up with .120" instead of .125" like it is suppose to be he will "Should" make the adjustments so that "His" machine cuts your slot to "The Standard" .

Try sending your "Doctored" file to a router shop or a different Laser cutter and you will definitely see the difference.

I don't think it's a good idea to "Fudge" the sizes of the parts that you want cut to "Crutch" the operator or the laser. If all the designers did this sort of thing, nothing would ever fit anything.

That's just my opinion.

Regards,
John Jolley;)
Spelling edit. Sorry

Bob Reeves · Dec 06, 2004 01:48 PM

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Humm.. I have worked with two laser cutters so far and both required I allow for the kerf IN the drawing. In my case it was 1/4 inch spars but the same situation, had to make the 1/4 inch cutouts a tad smaller in order for the notch to end up exactly 1/4 inch.

Larry Cunningham · Dec 06, 2004 03:51 PM

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John,

I agree with your philosophy about such things; I was advised to assume the laser cutter width would be approximately .005" and to plan accordingly. I'm sure what you are saying is true for at least the more powerful and sophisticated laser cutters. Since beam cutter width varies according to power, speed, material, thickness, and (???) software which compensates for beam width would necessarily have to "know" about these things. Further, it would have to be able to figure out which is the exterior side of a cut - it might need to be pretty sophisticated software!

The laser cut is not exactly perpendicular on its edges. It is wider on the side facing the laser. This effect varies with material and thickness, more material is vaporized at the top surface.

One other thing to consider is what I am laser cutting - balsa sheets for a model airplane. I'm seeking the "crisp" fit on my spar notches, for example. If the laser cutter managed to compensate and gave me exactly .120", I feel the rib notches would still have enough compliance to fit together. Now, if that material were something harder than balsa (say 1/32" plywood), it being .005" tight might well cause a problem.

Keep in mind that the consistency of 1/4" square balsa stock is not always perfect either.

I guess the proof of pudding will be in its eating. Again, I'm simply flowing here with what the laser operator has told me to do. We'll see how it ultimately turns out.

Thanks for your comments.

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Broken Wings · Dec 06, 2004 05:23 PM

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This is just a guess but.... I figure your laser guy is asking "you" to add the cutter compensation to the drawing then "He" is just driving the laser "On" your centerline data. As opposed to the "left" or "right" of a line,arc,etc.

I understand why he has asked you to do this, It's Easier for him to write the programs. The accuracy suffers but in the case of a model airplane, It probably don't matter. (Unless your me and it drives you insane knowing that it's incorrect) Smiles...

Anyone that does engraving usually does it the same way.

You can scan a photograph of your smiling face and use a Raster to Vector converter and machine or lase that same photograph on a (Whatever)

Cool Stuff

What you might want to try is to just scale your drawing up or down by the amount of cutter comp that your laser guy has asked you to draw into your model. That way everything is relative. You can draw your rib slot as .125" and scale it so that the .005" laser beam cuts the slot to .120" much easier than reworking the whole drawing piece by piece. Just a thought.

Regards,
John Jolley

cyberflyer · Dec 07, 2004 12:03 PM

Laser cutter drawings for the rest of us?#10 source

At the risk of a barrage of used vegetables, here's the $64 question from the perspective of my keyboard.

What is a good program for creating the kinds of vector files that drive the laser cutter that runs on Mac OS X?

I can convert a lot of stuff into .dxf or whatever from various vector graphic programs, but non of them allow me to do CAD work at this level.

Any ideas on good CAD programs for the Mac OS, or am I the only guy here for whom it matters?

And no, thanks, I won't buy a PC just to run one piece of software.

Cy.

Larry Cunningham · Dec 07, 2004 12:34 PM

RE: Laser cutter drawings for the rest of us?#11 source
I had the impression from Brett's postings about Macs that it was possible to do a fairly decent job of PC emulation, which would allow you to run WinderStuff as needed. Is that the case?

The other impression that I had was that Macs were prime hosts for various types of good graphic software (traditionally). Is that the case? Perhaps this does not necessarily equate to CAD/CAM/CAE applications.

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cyberflyer · Dec 07, 2004 10:20 PM

RE: Laser cutter drawings for the rest of us?#15 source
>I had the impression from Brett's postings about Macs that
>it was possible to do a fairly decent job of PC emulation,
>which would allow you to run WinderStuff as needed. Is that
>the case?

Well, yes, up to a point. I've got a 500 Mhz G4 Powerbook that will run WinXP in emulation mode, but it is rather slow.

Microsoft bought the VPC software and are taking their own sweet time about coming up with a version that will run on the G5. My real workhorse is a dual G5 with a fast graphics board and 4 tons of memory, but I don't have it rigged to emulate a Windows machine.


>The other impression that I had was that Macs were prime
>hosts for various types of good graphic software
>(traditionally). Is that the case? Perhaps this does not
>necessarily equate to CAD/CAM/CAE applications.

There is lots of great software for a variety of graphic applications. Tons. I have several 3-D modeling programs along with the usual suspects in vector and bitmap.

I was just wondering if anyone on the forum would pipe up and say "Use this on the Mac and save the files in this format and you will have things that laser cutters can read."

And yeah to the thought above. If I'm going to take the time to learn a good modeling package, I'd like it to do CAD to the point that if I like what I am seeing I can print to a CAM file which will drive the printer (cutter).

Thanks.

Cy

catdaddy · Dec 07, 2004 12:34 PM

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For anybody interested try this link for more information on cad setup for laser cutting. You have to proceed by the link at the bottom of each page.
<http://www.mybloo.com/coosbay/laser/laser1.html>

regards,
Rick "catdaddy" Blankenship

Gary Weaver · Dec 07, 2004 12:37 PM

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I just came for the laser cutter about 20 minutes ago. He uses Easy Cad it comes on 1 floppy disk and is very easy to use.

His laser table measures 4 ft x 10 ft and will cut 3/8" steel. Cutting speed and cutting power can be adjusted. Maximum cutting speed is 240 inches a minutes.

The top right corner of the laser table is 0,0. He says that he does on his cutting on the bottom left corner. It makes no difference which corner of you drawing is 0,0 because he can tell the machine to start anyplace he likes and cut in which ever direction he wants.

When making your own laser drawings make sure you have all the lines connected and NO lines crossed. Be sure to magnify all your lines 200 times and look at them after you are finished to make sure all connections are really connected and none of them cross. Sometimes a line that appears to connect does not actually connect but when you blow it up 200 times you can see it is not connected. It may be so close the CAD program says the space is .0000 between lines. When you try to connect the lines the program will not take it because the number is smaller than .0000. You will need to erase a small portion of the line then draw it back again to close up the space. When the program is interented into the laser it need to have a continious line path to follow. It the laser comes to a GAP or CROSS it stops because it does not know what to do.

You need a border around the edge of your part the laser can not cut off the edge then back on again.

Laser cuts a .010 slot in the part. If the program is set to cut right down the center of the line you will get .005 cut on each side of the line. If you tell the program to cut .005 to the side of the line the finished part comes out almost 100% correct.

Rib drawings are very time consuming to drar and can be done with a scanner. Scan the ribs, convert the file to the CAD drawing, resize the picture to the dementions you actually want. This can be done in just a minute or so compaired to 20 minutes trying to draw a rib from scratch.

Gary Weaver

Broken Wings · Dec 07, 2004 07:02 PM

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I've used this CAM software before. It's not the best you can get but for $200 with a dedicated laser module included it should be all you need to make model airplanes.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1251&item=7119474563&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW


http://www.bobcad.com/demo_Lesson/Laser/LaserLesson.htm

This is just an observation here but I figure if your going to learn a Computer Aided Design and Drafting program to design your own model airplanes you might as well learn the software program that will enable you to cut out your wing ribs to. Computer Aided Manufacturing or CAM.
Especially if your just a hobbyist.

So much of the software out there is "Design" software with little or no emphasis on manufacturing. It makes pretty pictures and beautiful renderings but "it don't cut it".

This software will allow you to create two or three dimensional parametric models just like AutoCadd "AND" machine them with a homemade router or someones laser.
(Like canopies, foam mold bucks, cowls, fuse jigs, wing ribs, bulkheads, etc.)

The above is an older version that is on sale and it will allow you to send ready to cut files to your favorite Laser man without "fudging" your design. It might even inspire you to make a wooden CNC router using a Dremel Tool. (I believe someone posted a link to the very same that uses an old PC for a control)

I'm not ragging on AutoCadd or Design software it definitely has it's place but as model guys that build models it just makes sense to me to go the one step further.

Just an opinion...

Regards,
John Jolley