Stuka Stunt Control Line Forum
Archive, 2000–2021 · recovered from the Internet Archive
Forums › Stuka Stunt Main Forum

New Akromaster first flights

Stuka Stunt Main Forum · 14 of 14 known posts recovered

captcurt · Oct 02, 2000 08:04 AM

#0 source
Flew the new Akro this weekend.. real sucessful.

Running a fox .15 slant plug ex-r/c with enya needle. Uniflow plastic clunk with the uniflow vent attached to the clunk. The clunk wont quite drop all the way to the bottom because of tubing stiffness but it draws nearly all the fuel out anyway.

A couple of questions:

as soon as the plane is released, ROG takeoff, it goes very lean and stays that way for several laps. Then steadies out and richens back to normal and stays that way until the end burp.
Is this normal for small uniflow setups?

I have a couple of things to work out with the controls--its hunting a bit and way too sensitive--im going to seal the elevator and also narrow up the handle a little.

Was geting a loss of fuel pickup during sharp pullup into wing overs. I might try pinching a small vee into the end of the tank and/or "fixing"the pickup in place.

CG is about 1.25 back. all-up wgt is 18.7 oz. flying a stock master airscrew 8 x 4. slight engine offset and rudder offset. Line tension is good level flight with 1/2oz in the tip. fixed leadouts, and the plane is flying tangent to the lines. 5.5 sec laps on 52' R.

Any hints?

Thanks

Curt

Alan Hahn · Oct 02, 2000 08:14 AM

#1 source
Curt, it is normal to lean out after takeoff if the uniflow vent is outboard of the spraybar, but I'm not sure about the richening up part (unless you actually are sagging). Just give the needle a few clicks richer at takeoff and see what happens.

With regards to the stiff tubing, I would decouple the uniflow from the clunk, and simply plumb it (brass or copper tubing) to the tank's outboard edge-roughly aligned vertically with the spraybar. This should allow the clunk (pickup only) to move around more freely. It is the uniflow location which gives you the solid run (once it settles down anway) I don't think fixing it to the clunk buys you anything. Maybe someone else can explain any advantages.

Alan

Nils · Oct 02, 2000 11:05 PM

#2 source
The smallest plastic uniflow I'm using is a two ounce slant front. The clunk in it doesn't move much either but it works fine. I haven't flown this airplane (Ukey 15) very much compared to most of my others, but I don't remember it leaning out after release. I just took a look at mine & my clunk has the uniflow attached to it with the end about 3/8ths of an inch forward of the fuel inlet in the clunk & even with it horizontally. Center of tank is slightly above the spraybar. What size is your tank? I have six airplanes using plastic tanks from 2 ounce to 6 ounce at present & all work well. Two of them are in competition airplanes. Be sure the stopper is tight & you have NO air leaks. I'd fill the tank half full & pressurize it with a syringe full of air through each of the lines exiting the tank with a piece of fuel line between the other two & watch for leaks, both inside & outside the tank while turning it all directions. You may also have an air leak somewhere else in the system, NVA, fuel line/filter, venturi, etc. If the tank is OK, close the needle (gently) & put pressure on the uniflow & look for leaks in the system beteen the tank & NVA. You could also be sucking air between the NVA & the venturi or between the venturi & the case. I've run these tanks with the uniflow just poking into the middle of the tank & it works fine until the fuel head gets outboard the uniflow, then it reverts to a non-uniflow system & speeds up for the rest of the flight just like a conventional one-up-one-down vented tank. As long as you just fly around right side up it's not really a problem, but if you're flying manuevers & the uniflow doesn't follow the clunk & stay below the fuel head, you may get erratic engine runs. The problem I see with Alan's suggestion to fix the uniflow towards the outside of the tank is that it will interfere with the clunk,(unless I misunderstand his suggestion). I agree that you should try a few clicks richer just to see what happens. I would also try a different prop. I don't really fly 15 sized airplanes very often, & I'm not familiar with your engine, but 5.5 second laps sound awfully slow to me, especially for that small of an airplane. I would think 4.8-5.0 seconds would be closer to what you're after. Sealing the hingelines is always a good idea, in my experience, & narrowing your handle spacing will probably help a bunch. A beginner friend of mine has an Acromaster & it seems to me that we had to set his handle spacing at less than three inches.
Nils

captcurt · Oct 03, 2000 06:09 AM

#3 source
Thanks Guys--

I got to fiddle a little more last evening. I was getting a lot of fuel foaming on the ground and I've now fixed that.

After the initial several laps, the uniflow worked just like it should--real steady, right till the end burp.

I'm using a two oz. straight front--I made it up according to Nils' pictures. Just as you described.

Just for experimentation sake, I built a different tank last night also. I heated and pinched a narrow "wedge" area at the rear outboard corner and used fixed pick up and uniflow vent.

Its all installed and pressure tested just as you described. +1/4"

I'll give it another try tonite--I suspect that fixing the foam problem will make the lean takeoff problem go away.

Other than that, it flys great.

Cant wait to get its Big Brother--Twister flying. I'm just about ready to cover the wing. All the carbon surfaces (stab, el, flaps) are ready for final prime and paint. Fuse is ready for cover and all power components are on hand.

captcurt · Oct 04, 2000 06:28 AM

RE: Update on Akro#4 source
>Thanks Guys--
>
>
>Just for experimentation sake, I built
>a different tank last night
>also. I heated and
>pinched a narrow "wedge" area
>at the rear outboard corner
>and used fixed pick up
>and uniflow vent.
>
>
>I'll give it another try tonite--I
>suspect that fixing the foam
>problem will make the lean
>takeoff problem go away.
>
>

Flew again last nite. The lean early laps problem is gone--do think it was the foaming fuel.

The tank with the fixed pickup and uniflow and pinched side (2 oz clunk mounted horizontal)worked just great--except it would only draw down half the fuel!

So--I'm going to try a clunk pick-up again but leave the vent fixed. I believe I can keep the vent over to the side far enough to not interfere with the pickup.

I think now that the plastic tank setups would work really well in bigger sizes, but the smaller ones might be better off with a metal uniflow.

Taping of elevator gap and narrowing the control handle spacing fixed the twitchiness and "hunting" (me or plane). Its Very solid on the lines, and will do more than I can.

I am also going to try a couple of different style props. Its a Master Airscrew 8 x 4 black plastic now. I want to try a wood and a couple of others perhaps trimmed just a bit (1/4"). THe engine seems very immune to even a 1/4 turn of the needle, and I think this may be a prop issue.

Flying was good--mosquitoes were terrible!

Curt

Nils · Oct 06, 2000 01:15 AM

RE: Update on Akro#5 source
I'm glad it's working for you.
We had a 'skeeter problem here this summer on our grass circle. Try a can of Lawn & Garden flying insect fogger. On a calm morning with just a hint of moving air you can murder about 90% of the little bloodsuckers. Then use a hand spreader to cover the area with Dursban, that will kill most of the eggs. I think they're both made by Ortho. The frost is on the pumpkin here so no more problem for this year for us. Keep us posted on the Acromaster.
Nils

captcurt · Oct 06, 2000 06:06 AM

RE: Update weather#6 source
Well I may need to mount skis on the thing if the weather man is correct about this weekends forecast!

Curt

captcurt · Oct 06, 2000 07:24 AM

RE: ITS ALL SINKING IN!!#7 source

>I am also going to try
>a couple of different style
>props. ..... I want
>to try a wood and
>a couple of others perhaps
>trimmed just a bit (1/4").
> THe engine seems very
>immune to even a 1/4
>turn of the needle,

and
>I think this may be
>a prop issue.

I removed the prop last nite for some cleanup and to my surprise found it was marked 8 x 6.

I'm embarrassed to have made the error in reporting but...

THANKS to all on these CL forums, I was able to connect the engine performance issue I was seeing to a prop problem!! I certainly could not have done that even 2 or 3 months ago..

ALL this info does sink in!!

I'll be replacing it and trying the intended 8 x 4 and variations.

Thanks Guys

Curt

currell · Oct 06, 2000 09:47 AM

RE: ITS ALL SINKING IN!!#8 source
On the plain bearing Fox, don't deviate too far from the 8-4. That is the "perfect" prop for that engine, as the Fox instructions suggest.

Since yours is the slant plug variety, run it in more of a 2 cycle. Your lap times seem slow, as previously posted.

Currell

captcurt · Oct 06, 2000 11:04 AM

RE: BRRRRR..#9 source
I will be trying the 8-4 this weekend too (gloves!) THe plane may have lacked a bit of accelleration out of sharp corners but otherwise flew really well with the 8-6! I was surprised at how well it would stay out overhead. Actually flying around in a circle at 80 degrees altitude easily.

But I know it wasnt running as fast as it could have.

PS Currell: I thought the "Frankenstein" ring jr was heavy at 18-1/2 oz!

Currell · Oct 07, 2000 12:02 AM

RE: BRRRRR..#10 source
I'm thinking about flying this weekend, too. I have both Ring Jrs ready, also a Jr Streak and a homebuilt with an old Fuji .099 twinstack.

Currell

LNeumann · Oct 07, 2000 07:58 AM

RE: BRRRRR..#11 source
Rumor has it that the upper peninsula got 10 to 12 inches of snow. How's the Detroit area. (Glad I live in the south--part of Indiana, that is.)

Leonard Neumann

Currell · Oct 08, 2000 07:37 PM

RE: BRRRRR..#12 source
We got a little bit of slushy rain for a bit today.

Yesterday, I took 4 smaller planes out. It was in the low 40s and windy. My mistake was that I just grabbed my 10%N/25%C fuel for the larger mills. The Fox 15 (plain) and Enya 15 III started OK, but it was hard to keep them lit up. Next time it will be atleast 15%N.

The Streak Jr (18 ounces) flew great with the Fox, by the way. The heavy Enya Ring Jr (21 ounces) just OK. The Streak has the advantage of a much thicker wing.

Later, I just said to heck with it, and flew my Buster with aMcCoy 35 Redhead. I only wish that all of the Redhead detractors out there could have heard and seen this engine. More power than Fox, 4-2-4, this mill has it all.

Hey Curt, did you fly?

currell

captcurt · Oct 09, 2000 06:15 AM

RE: BRRRRR..#13 source
Yep..

I did a couple of basic flights on Sunday afternoon late...

It was cool but the wind kinda died down a bit. I froze out my helper!

Mostly did finishing work on the Twister/Mod fuse and tail group.

We just got a few snow flurries on Saturday.

Curt