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Randy · Nov 05, 2000 02:29 AM

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I'm trying out doing molded fuselage blocks. I've read a bit about it, but thought I'd ask what other's techniques were. I've got the blocks shaped and sanded, pretty much how I would have them before hollowing them out were I doing a normal construction.

What's the best way to undersize them so I can use them as molds? Is it better to shave the bottoms or try to take the material off the already shaped surface?

Any great tricks?

Randy

vernon levy · Nov 05, 2000 03:03 AM

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Have you been to Windy Urtnowski's site? The topic was covered in his September newsletter. It might put a different spin on your project.

Vernon

LNeumann · Nov 05, 2000 01:09 PM

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You almost have to shape them undersize to begin with. Matthew has molded components on his last four or five planes. Nose blocks, turtle decks, and now fuselage bottoms. With the pipe ship he molded the bottom, then cut it out for the pipe. Molding isn't hard, and he would like to do an entire fuselage some time. Here are some of the things he has learned (or added to the equation.)

Although balsa can be used for the mold, he generally uses foam, and has used both white and blue foam. It should be noted that foam does not carve well. However, you can band saw it to its basic dimensions, and then sand it to its final shape. Use coarse sand paper to start with, then move to finer grits as the carving progresses. You will need, at some point, to put a plywood stip under the block that is to be used as the mold. 1/4 inch plywood is fine, although size is not crucial. You just want to make sure that it is stiff and will not twist, because we are going to slice the mold vertically to fit the formers.

Yes, we are going to need formers for the molded piece, and the easiest way to fit them is to slice the mold at the point where the formers go (1/8 inch slice if you use 1/8 inch formers) and then slide a piece of balse into the slot and mark it so you can cut it to the exact shape needed for fit. If you do this before you finish carving, you can slide a piece of wood or paper into the slot, mark it, then turn it around and check to see if both sides of the mold are even. If not, sand away on the high point until it becomes symmetrical. It is good to place the mold on the plane periodically, also, as you progress, to ensure that the shape is correct and that it will be properly undersize all the way around.

Now, on to molding. Matthew normally uses three 1/32 in thick layers to form the actual part for the airplane. This ends up with a piece of 3/32 thickness, that is both stronger and easier to mold. Cut the pieces oversize to mold them. You can cut them to actual size later. Take the first piece, soak it in water, lay it on a towel to take off the excess water, and then form it around the mold while wrapping it in gauze bandages or old rags. You want something that will hold it tight to the mold, but will, also, allow it to dry. Elastic bandages work well, also. After it is wrapped, let it dry for 24 hours, then mold a second piece over the first. Let this dry, then mold the third over the first two. After all three pieces have been molded and dried, remove them from the stack and glue them together with a thin layer of yellow glue. Put this sandwitch back in the mold and let it dry again. Cut the formers to shape using the slots in the mold to mark them. Then glue these into place, trim the wood, and you are done. (Or, alternately, you may wish to trim it first, then add the formers.)

Just remember, compound curves get more difficult and may require slicing pieces out or molding sections at a time. If anyone else has additional helps, pass them on. I know I have only hit the highlights and there are certainly other techniques that can be added as well.

Leonard Neumann

Randy · Nov 05, 2000 04:58 PM

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Len,

I've molded before. The leading edges of the stab and wing are molded components in the current project. I used gray structural foam (very heavy, thick stuff) for the forms. Very easy as you can cut out the form and use the female and male pieces as a clamp for the balsa. With the fuse blocks, I could do the same thing for the turtle deck and bottom block (though the bottom block would be tricky). I was most concerned with the nose block since it is a double compound curve.

I went ahead and took the original block and just reshaped it to undersize 3/32". I was planning to use 3 pieces of 1/32" sheet for the nose block, putting carbon fiber veil in between.

Randy

LNeumann · Nov 05, 2000 05:29 PM

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The molded leading edges that you describe work fine because they fit over the ribs. The molding is done basically to take the stress out of the structure. On the nose block you need more accuracy, but this is where the formers come in. If you use formers you shouldn't need the carbon fiber in between. These pieces get quite strong all by themselves.

Leonard Neumann

Randy · Nov 06, 2000 12:45 AM

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Len,

>>These pieces get quite strong all by themselves.

You clearly don't understand my level of paranoia.

The wing sturncture I'm using is my own design and I take full credit for it (or full blame depending on how it works out). There is very limited internal structure, at least not in the conventional sense. The molded leading edge/sheeting combination is pretty much all the structure there is apart from the ribs. I used a very modified millenium (lincoln log) wing design that used a vestigal leading edge to plug into the jig and strip ribs ala I-beam. It has a spar that is contructed within the wing after the ribs are in place. It's a long story, but the upshot was; a 700sq inch, relatively high aspect ratio wing that with tips and hardware installed came out at about 9.5oz. It's very stiff and I have to say, I was pretty happy with it. The molded leading edge takes away the problem of meeting the conventional leading edge with sheeting and causing. Since this is continuous, it cures a problem. It's also stronger.

I wrapped up the nose block sheeting awhile ago. The balsa was like putty (water and alcohol soaked), but what a pain getting it to conform to the mold. Kept wanting to wrinkle up at the ends. We'll see how it comes out tomorrow. This was just my first try.

Randy

LNeumann · Nov 06, 2000 01:30 AM

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It sounds like you are doing all of the right things at the moment. One thing I would NOT recommend is soaking the wood in ammonia. It makes it very flexible, so, at first, it seems like a good idea. When the wood dries out, however, it will get brittle and be prone to shatter. Not good if this is a structural piece.

Leonard Neumann

VolvoBird · Nov 06, 2000 01:49 PM

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To supplement Leonard's typically clear and helpful advice, take a look at the article (with lots of pictures) by Al Rabe in the March/April 2000 issue of "Stunt News". I have never tried molding balsa structures, but it is certainly something that is on my list of things to do as my skills progress and my projects require.
Peter Hess

Randy · Nov 07, 2000 09:03 PM

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Strangely enough, I've molded an entire fuselage ala Al Rabe. Awaiting completion in my shop is an Al Rabe scalish (meaning not that far off scale) modified F8F Bearcat Reno Air racer, the Rare Bear. The fuse and wings are done. The fuse is about 6.5 inches around at the nose, but I've reconsidered a couple of things and haven't really decided how to proceed. So, it's sits and calls to me occasionally. I'll get back to it eventually. The fuse was molded in sections over a skeleton. It's really quite strong.

I've just never tried doing just top and bottom blocks on a fuse before. It's a different experience. I did manage to get Windy's exceptional article on doing this and we'll see what we get. Hey, worse case is I have to do a conventional block.

Randy

Randy · Nov 08, 2000 08:26 PM

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Well, I pulled the balsa out of the molds tonight. They look pretty good. I suppose I was worrying over nothing. I followed Windy's directions and it was easier than I thought it would be.

Randy

Kelvin Heath · Nov 11, 2000 12:29 AM

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I just read Windy's item as well, and was a little surprised that he recommends using one layer of wood. I have laminated up lots of wingtip bows (similar process-just around a cardboard form)and always used lots of thin layers. What do you think about using 1/32" layers and turning the middle one at 45 degrees like plywood? It would still be pretty flexible and resist splitting better. Also, I am lazy and would rather avoid cutting bulkheads. Wouldn't angled pairs of straight sticks (diagonals) inside the piece give you pretty good stiffness?
Kelvin

Randy · Nov 11, 2000 04:49 PM

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Well, I ended up first just trying 3/32". Worked OK. Then I tried using 1/16" with a very thin coat of epoxy on the inside with CF veil. Just wrapped the mold with saran wrap and clamped it together. I'm pretty happy with that.

I would imagine that using just 3 layers of 1/32" is quite strong. Not sure I would try cross graining, but hey, worth a try. The nice thing about the molds is you can try stuff.

Randy