Name this aerobatic manoeuver !

The great Larry Scarinzi achieved a lot in control line flying, but
can you name the one aerobatic manoeuver that he performed that not
even GMA or Bob Palmer could equal ?

Figure 9???

I always thought it ought to be in the beginner pattern.

Hi Phil, I can assure you that Larry's plane was still flying totally
undamaged after completing this VERY difficult stunt. BOB.

In my Data Base I show 16 O/T stunt models designed by Larry and 2 Vintage Stunt models.

Larry also designed 4 Combat models.
And he held down a full time job.

The off the hotel balcony "wing-under" ??? Or was that Red? Heh!

LAST EDITED ON May-06-06 AT 09:46 PM (CST)
 
I think the numbers of airplanes designed by Larry S. needs to be checked. I don't recall him publishing any OTS designs, but I recall more that 2 classic era stunt airplanes. The Tom Morris Classic Designs book lists 14 of his designs.

An interview with Larry on one of Bob Hunt's video magazines the number was mentioned. I remember it being in the mid twenties.

LAST EDITED ON May-07-06 AT 03:36 PM (CST)
 
These are from the magazines in my collection. I am also missing many magazines. Or is my dating wrong?

Sky Devil 1956 FM Dec p10 .35 Old Time
Gay Devil 1957 AM Jun p30 .19-.35 Old Time
Jolly Flapper 1957 FM Sep p15 .05 Old Time
Lil Dynamite 1957 MAN Jun p15 .15 Old Time
Jolly Roger 1958 FM Jul p16 .19 Old Time
Ercoupe stunter 1958 MAN Jul p12 .07-.15 Old Time

Devil Dart 1959 FM Jun p24 .09 Classic
Ruby 1959 FM Nov p20 .29 Classic
Grey Ghost 1960 FM Feb p14 .35 Classic
Krazy Kat 1960 MAN Dec p14 .15 Classic
Queen Bee 1960 MAN Jun p22 .020 Classic
U-Mane-It 1962 MAN Dec p11 .35 Classic
Gremlin 1963 MAN Jan p18 .29-.35 Classic
Super Flipper 1964 MAN Oct p16 .15-.25 Classic
Blue Angel 1965 FM Fb-Mr p8 .60 Classic

In your list, the first 6 are from the Classic era, Jan 1 1953 through 31 Dec 1969. OTS is supposed to be those prior to Jan 1. 1953. Yes, I know, picky. picky.

LAST EDITED ON May-11-06 AT 10:26 AM (CST)
 
I'll make the changes to my data base. I'm not sure where i came up with
the date cutoffs.

Thanks,

>These are from the magazines in my collection. I am also
>missing many magazines. Or is my dating wrong?
>
>Sky Devil 1956 FM Dec p10 .35 Old Time
>Gay Devil 1957 AM Jun p30 .19-.35 Old Time
>Jolly Flapper 1957 FM Sep p15 .05 Old Time
>Lil Dynamite 1957 MAN Jun p15 .15 Old Time
>Jolly Roger 1958 FM Jul p16 .19 Old Time
>Ercoupe stunter 1958 MAN Jul p12 .07-.15 Old Time
>
>Devil Dart 1959 FM Jun p24 .09 Classic
>Ruby 1959 FM Nov p20 .29 Classic
>Grey Ghost 1960 FM Feb p14 .35 Classic
>Krazy Kat 1960 MAN Dec p14 .15 Classic
>Queen Bee 1960 MAN Jun p22 .020 Classic
>U-Mane-It 1962 MAN Dec p11 .35 Classic
>Gremlin 1963 MAN Jan p18 .29-.35 Classic
>Super Flipper 1964 MAN Oct p16 .15-.25 Classic
>Blue Angel 1965 FM Fb-Mr p8 .60 Classic
>
>
>T.A. Wilk
>Old Magazine plans on CD
>www.cpinternet.com/~tawilk36

RON SMITH

>>These are from the magazines in my collection. I am also
>>missing many magazines. Or is my dating wrong?
>>
>>Sky Devil 1956 FM Dec p10 .35 Old Time
>>Gay Devil 1957 AM Jun p30 .19-.35 Old Time
>>Jolly Flapper 1957 FM Sep p15 .05 Old Time
>>Lil Dynamite 1957 MAN Jun p15 .15 Old Time
>>Jolly Roger 1958 FM Jul p16 .19 Old Time
>>Ercoupe stunter 1958 MAN Jul p12 .07-.15 Old Time
>>
>>Devil Dart 1959 FM Jun p24 .09 Classic
>>Ruby 1959 FM Nov p20 .29 Classic
>>Grey Ghost 1960 FM Feb p14 .35 Classic
>>Krazy Kat 1960 MAN Dec p14 .15 Classic
>>Queen Bee 1960 MAN Jun p22 .020 Classic
>>U-Mane-It 1962 MAN Dec p11 .35 Classic
>>Gremlin 1963 MAN Jan p18 .29-.35 Classic
>>Super Flipper 1964 MAN Oct p16 .15-.25 Classic
>>Blue Angel 1965 FM Fb-Mr p8 .60 Classic
>>
>>
>>T.A. Wilk
>>Old Magazine plans on CD
>>www.cpinternet.com/~tawilk36
>
>RON SMITH

RON SMITHgreased lighting

And the WINNER is EricV !!! On page 32 of the June 1963 issue of
MAN, Larry relates how he flew his "Bull's - eye" flying saucer thingy 29 floors up over Fifth Avenue NY. Standing on a small parapet, Larry says it was easy doing the dreaded underground wingover or more correctly, the wingunder ! This manoeuver is NOT
recommended for those flyers who suffer from vertigo, otherwise more
than a bent model can result. BOB.

Larry was the first person who helped us at vsc this year, when we had our accident. Thanks again Larry. I will be posting an update on this soon.

Robert,

I'm not sure of the date, but Don McGovern reported doing something similar off the edge of the Palisades across from NYC. May have been about the same time as Larry's move...

Don McG wrote some great editorials for FM for many years, almost funny enough to forgive him his weakness for building huge RC flying boats out of at least two million small pieces of balsa. One editorial recounted the time he found a half circle clearing to the edge of the cliff, as above. He happened to have a ukie along, for lines just about the radius of the clearing.

He'd always wanted to do wing-unders...

Things went well until he looked the rest of the way down to the Hudson River. Several quick steps inland, for being shook.

Centerpunched a tree on the inland side of the circle...

...but, at least, he DID wing-unders!!

It was also done out the window of the Fort Shelby hotel during one of the old Plymouth meets in Detroit around 1952. Probably one of the reasons the '53 meet was the last! I could also cite several other reasons.

I built a KAN DOO profile model from plans sent to me by Ron Prentice in England. Power is a OS 15 FPS.

I have heard that this model, although winning the British stunt champs in 1948, isn't such a good flyer. Well, mine is fun to fly although not a real winner!

I produced my own wing logo. If you can imagine, a round loop, with entry at the bottom and exit at the top .... I call it
"Reverse Loop-Over".

Actually, the plane isn't so bad after all. It must go fast. That awful rudder gets comments.

Bob,
Don't you think that putting the pilot above ground level is cheating a little bit? I have flown INTO many "under" manoeuvers, but have not yet been able to fly out of one. Best I have been able to do is skip my old Ringmaster off of the ground (wheels through the bottom of the wing) and have the engine re-light about 6 feet in the air after the "almost under" manoeuver.
Pat

Pat,
There is only one engine on the planet that would re-light after
something like that - an ENYA, right? BOB.

Bob,
You got that right! My 35 III BB was set with the prop horizontal when it came up on compression. It must have stopped with the piston comming up on compression, kicked backwards and then bounced back the right way and re started. I pulled out of the loop about 2" too low and smacked the ground hard, but flat. I don't think the spectators even realized that I had hit the ground or that the impact had killed the engine. When it re-lit I immediately pulled straight up to buy me air space and time to recover my composure. Pull out of the wingover and go on like it was part of the show. One of the advantages to the old Top Flight Nylon props is that they would survive many of the ground strikes foolish young stunt flyers experience. That engine had over 100 hours on it then and at least 200 hours now, It will sit for years, without running, a check of the plug, fuel the tank, a prime in the exhaust and it'll start with one or two flips.
Pat

my old pal Dave Balch used to have a Fox 35 in a Flite Streak that would restart without having the plug connected, if you filled it up quick! This was quite disconcerting to the opposition in "B" combat!

Ah, well I can't take full credit for historical genius, as I got the story not too long ago from Ward VD.

An even more fun little factoid - Where did the Bat image come from on the Vampire? Bwahahhahaa...

>Ah, well I can't take full credit for historical genius, as
>I got the story not too long ago from Ward VD.
>
>An even more fun little factoid - Where did the Bat image
>come from on the Vampire? Bwahahhahaa...
>
>EricV

A Bottle of Bacardi Rum? Possibly it was being drank upon down in Scarinzi's basement!

LAST EDITED ON May-10-06 AT 06:02 PM (CST)
 
I've always admired the logo on the SANDEMAN sherry bottle (Jerez de la Frontera, Spain). That is some tall, sinister-looking guy in a black cloak and hat, sort of like Zorro! I would just love it to have a paint stencil of that! I would name my next stunter "SANDEMAN" (please don't copy my idea for a plane, since it hasn't yet been used, and is still up for grabs).

Floyd

edi: description of Mr. sandeman.

How about ZORRO, for a name? Or SCARAMOUCHE? All the good names are taken (Caprice, IMITATION, etc.)

LAST EDITED ON May-10-06 AT 10:55 PM (CST)
 
De Said -
A Bottle of Bacardi Rum? Possibly it was being drank upon down in Scarinzi's basement!
De Hill

Could be...Yup!
EricV

On the subject of Bat images,Vampires and Bacardi Rum (and this is
control line related? )take a look at ze French Micron signature logo. The engine shown is the fabulous late 1960's Micron 45 Stunt which weighs all of 7.25 oz and is about the same size as a 35. All
Microns come with a "Bat Man" sticker. BOB.