Sterling C -seies OTS legal

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Dankar · Jun 12, 2006 11:11 PM

I was wondering how many of these are OTS legal. I have the Waco bipe/Newport 28/ SE5-A/ Stearman PT -17/ Monocoupe/ Mr Mulliagan. I rather give a bipe so at least more wing area. Next VSC I come ready and not goof off like past VSC. I have a Ringmaster/AA SR. and will have a Super Duper Zilch online. If wing isn't blowing to hard would like something different. Maybe fact that I haven't seen any at VSC should tell me something. wood will be replaced as needed.
Cheers,Dan

Dankar

Uncle Mikey · Jun 12, 2006 11:21 PM

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LAST EDITED ON Jun-12-06 AT 11:22 PM (CST)

OTS-eligible: Monocoupe, Mr. Mulligan, Pete, SE-5, Waco. First three showed Ign. power on the original kit plans, and I saw the last two fly at a June 1950 contest in Millville, NJ.

Unsure about the Polish Fighter and Ryan ST.

Fokker D-7, Corsair, Nieuport, Stearman and Great Lakes are NOT eligible for OTS.

Mike Keville
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cyberflyer · Jun 12, 2006 11:44 PM

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Mike:

What is your offering of a prize good for at VSC?

Best Scale Stunt OTS?

Uncle Mikey · Jun 12, 2006 11:51 PM

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LAST EDITED ON Jun-12-06 AT 11:52 PM (CST)

Yes...a plaque for the best Scale stunter in both OTS and Classic. Must make at least one official flight to be eligible.

Mike Keville
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ama21835 · Jun 13, 2006 05:56 AM

Ambroid (Don Still) Stuka#4 source

Progress is our most important problem

How about this one for OTS?
Barry Baxter's site shows it OT-legal, but others are made it think it came out circa 1958.

cyberflyer · Jun 13, 2006 06:58 AM

RE: Ambroid (Don Still) Stuka#5 source

It's not very scale, more the caricature scale of most suggestive stunt designs. Take a Nobler, change the wingtips and tail feathers and give it a paint job.

Jack Sheeks' Stuka has a more realistic planform.

I think Uncle Mikie is thinking about airplanes that are as close to scale as possible with a symmetric airfoil and can be made to operate through the stunt pattern. At least once.

So Mike, I could enter my SE-5A from Sterling in OTS and the Neuport 28 in Classic, right?

Uncle Mikey · Jun 13, 2006 09:24 AM

RE: Ambroid (Don Still) Stuka#6 source

LAST EDITED ON Jun-14-06 AT 06:58 AM (CST)

>So Mike, I could enter my SE-5A from Sterling in OTS and the
>Neuport 28 in Classic, right?
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Larry: Correct.

Paul: That looks like a Magician. Definitely not OTS-eligible.
(EDIT - Ooops, I was looking at your Avatar or whatever it's called...didn't notice your change in the thread's title. See info below on the Still Stuka.

All: Yes, the awards will be for full-fuselage Scale designs, not profiles, sorta-scale full stunt models or "fun scale" stuff. And they don't necessarily have to have a symmetrical airfoil as demonstrated several years ago by Jim Lee with his Aeronca C-3 --- or so I thought. On 6/13 Jim replied that the Chuck Hollinger design does in fact have a symmetrical airfoil.

Mike Keville
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Bill Little · Jun 13, 2006 10:34 AM

RE: Ambroid (Don Still) Stuka#7 source

There were two distinct Still Stuka's (at least). The 1952 Air Trails plane (Fox 29) and the later Ambroid version which first had the Fox 25 Stunt. The 25 didn't appear until 1957. The Ambroid version isn't he same as the '52 plane, and is not OTS legal....

Big Bear <><
Character: It's what you do when no one else is watching.

Bill Little · Jun 13, 2006 10:34 AM

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Has anyone sucessfully done an OTS pattern with the Waco?

Big Bear <><
Character: It's what you do when no one else is watching.

Uncle Mikey · Jun 13, 2006 10:38 AM

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Waco: I saw two guys try it at that 1950 NJ contest. Both impacted the concrete while attempting it. Since I was only 10 at the time, and didn't know the pattern, can't say during which maneuver it was.

In the hands of a top flyer, it would probably work. (Klapinski comes to mind, as do others.)

Mike Keville
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Bill Little · Jun 13, 2006 10:54 AM

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>Waco: I saw two guys try it at that 1950 NJ contest. Both
>impacted the concrete while attempting it. Since I was only
>10 at the time, and didn't know the pattern, can't say
>during which maneuver it was.
>
>In the hands of a top flyer, it would probably work.
>(Klapinski comes to mind, as do others.)
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>Mike Keville
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Thanks, Mike. Looks like we will get to find out sooner or later!

Big Bear <><
Character: It's what you do when no one else is watching.

Uncle Mikey · Jun 13, 2006 11:27 AM

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Regarding the new VSC awards, think Berkeley, Sterling, Chuck Hollinger, Walton Hughes, S. Calhoun Smith, Paul Plecan, Walt Musciano, plus any number of DOCUMENTED obscure Scale designs appearing in old issues of Air Trails, Flying Models, M.A.N., Mechanix Illustrated and so on.

Mike Keville
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ty marcucci · Jun 13, 2006 11:44 AM

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Ah, yes, another "excuse" to dig through all my old magazines.

cwmcmillin · Jun 13, 2006 11:53 AM

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Didn't Jim Hunt design a Travel Air biplane for stunt that is legal, too?
Hey Mike, should I make some copy-kits of my Capitol Beechcraft?
Chris...

Chris McMillin

Uncle Mikey · Jun 13, 2006 12:00 PM

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Chris:
Yep, Jim Hunt flew his Travel Aire bipe at a mid-90s VSC. It's a good-sized, good flying design. People could probably contact Bob Hunt for plans.

Your Capitol Beechcraft (Staggerwing): sure, why not? In fact, if you do, I'd like to get on the list of recipients.

Mike Keville
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cwmcmillin · Jun 15, 2006 11:51 PM

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I thinkl a template sheet of the parts missing from the very pretty original plans would be sufficient, now that I think about what I wrote!
I have an interesting design for old time now started, near full scale.
Chris...

Chris McMillin

Uncle Mikey · Jun 16, 2006 12:19 AM

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>...interesting design for old time now started, near full scale.
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Then all you have to do is bring it to Tucson next March.

Mike Keville
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Trostle · Jun 13, 2006 12:55 PM

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I am surprised that Jim Hunt's Travel Air has not been done more for OTS. (That is Bob Hunt's dad.) Published in Jan 52 Model Airplane News. 500 sq in. Practical, straight forward construction as anything from Jim would be. 37 oz with a Fox 35. Nice, thick symmetrical section.

Plans are available from the AMA plans store.

If you like bipes, this would be a good one.

Keith

Dankar · Jun 14, 2006 12:40 AM

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Maybe the Waco with a K&B .45. The .45 is same size as the .35 and should have plenty of phonies. Fuse is a large box with plenty of room for tank. Wing area is on the the low side so I guess a little speed will help.
Dan

Dankar

Uncle Mikey · Jun 14, 2006 06:55 AM

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Correction to post #6: Bad case of brain fade on my part. Jim Lee replied that the Aeronca C-3, a Chuck Hollinger design, does in fact have a symmetrical airfoil.

Mike Keville
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Jim Thomerson · Jun 14, 2006 02:52 PM

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The Polish Fighter and Ryan are both listed in the Sterling ad in the 1952 AHC catalog. I think I missed the Ryan on another post.

Uncle Mikey · Jun 14, 2006 04:28 PM

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Thanx, Jim. There you have it, folks: add Sterling's Polish Fighter and Ryan ST to the list of eligible designs.

The problem with those things is, you'd have to make many internal changes (as permitted by the OTS rules); otherwise they'd remain tethered anvils.

IMHO, a structurally lightened Sterling SE-5 would be ideal. Time constraints here won't permit me to find out...although something else is in the works.

Mike Keville
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Dankar · Jun 16, 2006 11:29 PM

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Mikey,
I checked plans on the Waco and SE-5A. I like the way the Waco goes together, but the SE-5A has airfoil needed to stunt. The Waco has flat bottom wing and top is semi flat. Looks like it would be scary for outsides. A trip to Kinkos and scan parts sheets.
Dan

Dankar

Uncle Mikey · Jun 16, 2006 11:34 PM

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SE-5 is the ticket. Lighten the structure internally, though...keep the same number of ribs but ditch those solid leading edges and build 'em up, for example. Much can be done with the fuselage construction, too. The SE-5 WILL stunt. I've seen it done.

Mike Keville
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