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Scott Riese · Dec 14, 2000 06:05 PM

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I've been flying stunt now for the past FOUR years and now that I'm flying in the expert class I would like to know if any one has tryed to put ADJUSTABLE linkage in the BOTTOM of the wing in the pipe tunnel instead of the top of the wing. It just makes more sence to make it easy to get to if the adjustment was on the bottom of the wing. Please help! Scott..... PS I always make the Stab Adjustable!

Randy · Dec 18, 2000 01:36 AM

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Hi Scott!

Gosh, I've done this a hundred differnt ways, it seems. Yea, you can put a hatch in the bottom. I did that on the yellow plane Dave is flying. It had a sort of slider block that you could get to with a 4-40 wrench from the bottom. Worked fine, but it was a pain to play with. I've tried a removeable canopy with the controls below. Caused a problem with fuse stiffness, though. Could be done better, I guess. The best solution is to have the wing removable. They you can play with whatever you want. That's the way I'm going on the next plane.

Randy

Scott Riese · Dec 19, 2000 02:04 AM

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THANK YOU some got back to me!! I know it's not new but I needed someone to point me in the right direction. If your Raptor had this type of controls then it's good enough for me. I'm going to start a new plane this week and have it ready for the NW regoinals. Scott

Randy · Dec 19, 2000 10:23 PM

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LAST EDITED ON Dec-19-00 AT 10:26 PM (EST)

Hey Scott!

I'm just about to start finishing my current project. I'm really starting to wish I'd put in some sort of adjustment at the flap horn. I'm just not happy with the ratios, but there is adjustment at the elevator. Should be enough.

I'm just starting a rendition of Pat's Epiphany here shortly. It has a removeable wing so getting to any adjustment won't be a problem.

Still don't know what I'm going to power it with.

Randy

Scott Riese · Dec 20, 2000 12:09 AM

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Randy I just picked up a couple of 40 vf and I'm going to build my own plane. Impact numbers and look like Brett bucks plane. Almost the size of Alice's plane. Should be good. I'm also going to do a B-17 this year. IF I get the nerve. Scott

LNeumann · Dec 20, 2000 04:55 AM

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On the last three or four planes that Matthew has built, he has used nothing more than an adjustable slider on the elevator horn. If the plane is built square and care is done in the alignment process, you do not need an adjustable pushrod. There may be a minor "tweak" needed at some point, but that is it. The adjustable slider on the tail horn allows for an adjustment of ratios so that one can add elevator throw (in effect, lessen the throw of the flap) which may be necessary on a lightly constructed plane. A small slot on the side is all that is needed to access this and it is accomplished with a ball wrench. No structural changes, no hatches, quite simple.

Leonard Neumann

Scott Riese · Dec 20, 2000 12:11 PM

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Thank you guy's I've allways put a hatch or a removable tail wheel block to get into the stab adjustment. I just wanted to try something new. As for Matts plane what kind of adjustment does he use (make).

LNeumann · Dec 20, 2000 01:14 PM

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The first ones we tried were done by Bill Netzband (I think. Can't really remember). The ones he has used on his last several ships (and the current one under construction) were done by Dan Winship. They are a bit more expensive, but very well made--and relatively light. They are probably cost prohibitive for the "average Joe", but, when you want the ultimate in lightness, strength, and adjustability...

Leonard Neumann

Scott Riese · Dec 20, 2000 09:12 PM

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Being above the Average Joe I'm the kind of guy that goes out and uses 44 gallons of fuel like I did last year and builds four STUNTERS. The more info that we have the better the flyer we become. I take EVERYONES concepts on how to do things. You have a large influence as a PRO STUNTMAN, Paul Walker who in in the area gives me alot of advice, Don McClave is in our club is also full of stunt stuff. I use this board as an info site to the prefice score. Scott Riese

LNeumann · Dec 20, 2000 10:04 PM

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Well, Scott, welcome aboard. Ask questions, get answers, and use what you can. I usually tell people, however, to only believe half of what they hear or read. If they believe the right half, they will be well on their way in stuntdom. If they believe the wrong half, they will very soon be taking up knitting. There are some questions that if you asked the same question of the top five qualifiers at the Nats you would get five distinctly different answers. Sometimes it is what they perceive as being true, or what they prefer according to their distinct style. Paul likes a small prop and a light feel on the lines. Windy, on the other hand, (Bob Gieseke is another) likes something more substantial out there. Top flyers can fly either way, but I think for the "average Joe" again, he is going to be more comfortable and progress faster when he has a plane that is going to hang out on the lines for him. As you get better, then is when you can make those choices.

I always tell people, "If you are still breaking props, then stick with wooden ones. But if you are beyond that stage, then the carbon fiber props will give you that little extra edge. Same with the control hardware we have been discussing. We have some real good stuff that is of excellent quality and will last through several planes even if you put a thousand flights on them before you retire them into the ground. Dan's stuff, on the other hand, costs two to three times as much. But the quality and the weight savings (maybe only a quarter of an ounce) will be worth it to some people. That's where you need to make your decisions as to what's best for you.

(Four planes in a year? And you still have time to fly? I can understand burning 44 gallons of fuel, but building four quality planes in a year? It sounds like something Casale would do in his hayday.)

Leonard Neumann

Brett Buck · Dec 20, 2000 11:24 PM

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>Well, Scott, welcome aboard. Ask
>questions, get answers, and use
>what you can. I
>usually tell people, however, to
>only believe half of what
>they hear or read.
>If they believe the right
>half, they will be well
>on their way in stuntdom.


Scott must listen pretty well. He's understating/underestimating his own capabilities. I would estimate that he would be a favorite to win Advanced at the NATS any year, and on the cusp of qualifying in Open. He also is an excellent developer and analyzer, with an open minded approach that's typical of those of use inspired by Walker and Fancher. I daresay we should be listening to him in some areas.

Scott is well known in the Northwest as one of those guys that fit into the "not well known nationally because Portland is 2500 miles from Muncie" category. There are a goodly number of up-and-comers out this way that aren't well known/respected nationally for the simple reason that the NATS are now permanently stationed in Indiana. While this may be close to the population center of the US, it's still a heck of a trip from the West Coast.


Brett

LNeumann · Dec 21, 2000 12:21 AM

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I agree with you Brett. There are a lot of people who don't get to the Nats because of the distance, just as we didn't make it out to the West Coast when it was held out there. I think it might be good to move it around on occasion. Some people (you are one) would probably make it no matter where in the US it is being held (anyone for Hawaii?) Others will only be able to make it if it is close to where they live.

On the subject of Paul, Ted, yourself, I think it is one of the great things about this hobby that people who are successful are willing to share their "secrets". There really are no secrets because you do share. If I ask you how you make your tank, you will tell me. And it is one of the best tank designs I have seen. It is logical. It works. And it solved a problem in Matt's '99 plane where a stock tank just didn't work. (Still don't know why, but yours did.) Windy noticed that Matt had too much overhang on his handle. Windy loaned Matt one of his, and, sure enough, it made a difference. It was one of those things we never thought about. Ted had a home made handle that is light and responsive. He not only shared the design with us, he even drew up a pattern so we could copy it. Paul shared his flow chart on trimming with the world. Al Rabe did massive amounts of testing on various elements of the airplane and he is always willing to share what he has learned with others. Art Adamisin is a walking encyclopedia on technique and body movements in flying the pattern. And he is always willing to share.

Still, we all have our individual preferences and choices that we have made that have molded each person's individual style. So, in some areas, what is right for one isn't right for another. And that is where we have got to learn to pick and choose. I don't think a beginner needs to be building a pipe ship. Nor does he need to be building to a level of trying to win the concourse. And how do you change the pitch on a prop? Do you heat and twist the hub or just the tip? Or should you try to do the whole blade? Is hot water best, or should one use a heat gun? Should one have more or less pitch at the tips? Interestingly, I have heard "top ten" flyers give all answers to these questions. So sometimes it is best to listen, and then try to determine what is going to work best for you. We have a whole bunch of props that we did testing on before we finally found out what works best for us. And I can tell you, some of them just plainly didn't work. Some people don't have that luxury, however, and that's why I mentioned knitting.

Leonard Neumann

Scott Riese · Dec 21, 2000 12:32 AM

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Brett you made me blush...As for builing I got all the time in the world Since my Back injury and surguries and Not working it seams fitting to build. Right now it got three stunter building and should have one ready to fly next week. I'll start another Cardinal soon and have it ready by March first. Last week i was working on cool weather props, and pipe lenghts for the Jett-50.Thanks for all of your INPUT here in this forum. Scott

LNeumann · Dec 21, 2000 12:51 AM

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You don't have to blush, Scott. If you are good, you are good. And if you can learn from others, you get better. It never ceases to amaze me how much people are willing to help. If someone crashes his plane in practice, five guys will jump in to help him get it back together in time so he can beat them.

Leonard Neumann

Bigiron13 · Dec 21, 2000 10:26 AM

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SHARE!!! NOT ME !!! I've got a secret !!! And I keep it AAALLLL to myself. SO THERE. WELLLLL I MIGHT share it.

I don't know anything, so I keep my mouth shut so NOOOOBODY will find out. Good policy huh?
Bigiron

Scott riese · Dec 21, 2000 01:57 PM

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I got a gallon of fuel that I can sell to you...(I hear there's 600 points in it) I got it from this guy who found it and at a flying field and someone told HIM that Paul Walker had stopped by to fly and .......oh thats right it's a secert! LOL scott

Randy · Dec 21, 2000 11:09 PM

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Well Scott, there you go.

I love answering questions for Scott, but he usually knows more than I do.

3 planes! I'm trying ot finish one.

Randy