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Larry F · Dec 17, 2000 09:00 AM

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Most of you have safe, secure flying sites, I am sure. Any tips for those of us who don't? There are a couple of schoolyards around here. What are the odds of taking off on the track surrounding the football field, and not having the sherriff show up? There are a few houses across the road from the school, but it is a rural environment.

When I was a kid, I got a kick out the local police responding to "noise complaints" and arrived with sirens at full blast!

Larry F

Kelvin · Dec 17, 2000 09:21 AM

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A couple of thoughts:
The last couple times I flew in parks, the police ran me off, saying they didn't care if I flew, but if someone called and complained, they had to move me along. They were very decent about it.
One club not too far from our home has two circles on the campus of a local community college. Look around-there might be a place you hadn't considered. (Offer to do some aviation education for the kids at a school so you can fly there.)
We fly on the crosswind runway of the local RC field. Find the local club and make some friends. Maybe they would be amenable to sharing-especially if you join the club and help with the maintinence! If your guys are like ours, we stirred up some interest in CL among the RCers.
Good luck and happy hunting. Flying sites of all kinds are getting scarcer and harder to keep.

Dzlstunter · Dec 17, 2000 12:14 PM

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Another possibility is a general aviation airport which has some unused apron (or grassy area) due to expansion, redesign, etc. The big advantage to this is that the owner/operator is inherently interested in promoting aviation interest. With a controlline plane, you won't be interefering with full scale operations.

LNeumann · Dec 17, 2000 12:53 PM

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We are fortunate in that we are able to fly at a grass strip airport off the end of the hanger area where they keep it mowed once a week. And it is a half of a mile from where we live.

Alternate ideas:

We had an arrangement with a family we knew that had a 150 x 180 vacant lot next to their home at the end of a cul-de-sac with the street and their drive off of one corner with no ditch in between. This was nicely manicured and gave us a hard surface to take off and land on with no traffic to worry about. And noise was no greater than a lawn mower.

Parking lots in closed stores might be a possibility.

Church parking lots (with permission, of course). It helps if you have your membership there.

We have used the high school parking lot when school was not in session.

We have used ball diamonds when no games were scheduled. Some churches and schools have their own ball diamonds and these work especially well (little use). Again, it is nice to secure permission, but we have done this without permission and attracted crowds of amused onlookers with nary a complaint.

Some places have paved areas used for driving instruction (where they practice parallel parking) and these, in times of non-use, can also work well (been there, done that.)

Public parks has been mentioned. The biggest problem here is not complaints, but watching that enthusiastic kids (and dogs) don't endanger themselves by entering into the circle. It is for this reason that we have normally avoided this type of area. (However, there is one just two blocks from our home of a full city block in size that is lighted all night. Night flying, hmmm! Of course, firing up the engines at 2:00 in the morning "might" be cause for receiving a complaint or two.).

Leonard Neumann

olivertiger · Dec 17, 2000 02:25 PM

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I don't know what your local bye laws are regarding the use of public spaces but i have very few problems flying my smaller engined planes at the end of our stree in an open grassed area with a main road running past. The road noise is louder than my planes.

I also use a large playing field where a local rugby team plays. As the pitches only get used for a three hours per week there are many windows of opportunity. It's also the place where I can run my unsilenced McCoys without fear of retribution because the nearest houses are far enough away for me not to be a noise pollutant. Ironically an R/C club was moved from the area not because of the noise emanating from the field but because they flew over folks houses.

Supermarket car parks used to be a good place to fly until they converted to 24hr opening and started to trade on a Sunday. You might want to investigate the parking lots of large industrial estates which are usually well away from housing.

Good luck with your seach!

LNeumann · Dec 17, 2000 02:43 PM

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In the area of noise pollution, we live on a main thoroughfare, three blocks off of main street, that is a commercially zoned residential area. I can run in engines outside with no mufflers and no complaints since the truck traffic going by is louder than my engines.

Leonard Neumann

denlip · Dec 17, 2000 04:07 PM

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I've been fortunate in finding a field to fly only 33 miles away from my house. Of course then there is the city of reading which since 1946 hac sponsered a 5 circle paved<4> 1 grass
that is 36 miles away. Interestingly enough there is a place to fly an rc helicopter within 2 miles of my house that we use

Randy · Dec 18, 2000 01:12 AM

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LAST EDITED ON Dec-18-00 AT 01:20 AM (EST)

Well, the ideal setup is the one my buddy Pat has. He has 5 acres and flies right next to his house on a well manicured, grass field. Some guys have all the luck, or good planning.

I fly at either what I call the Washing Machine site(between a gym and a line of 100' fir trees with a huge hill at the end)that has the advantage of being close or at the local commercial airport, about 20 minutes away. The RC guys have managed to cut a new deal with the airport manager. I understand they have very restricted use of the site. I plan to check that out in the spring. Used to fly there, but the site was lost for a bit due to some idiot violated the flight ceiling.

The other alternative (if I'm feelign brave) is a side lot near a local mall. It's empty on Sundays, but you may have to dodge traffic. It's that or drive a VERY long way to the club field (when they have another one).

Hey Howard, is that site near the Green River available yet? It will still an hour and a half drive for me.

Randy

geoffgg · Dec 18, 2000 05:09 AM

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The keyy issues here and in the US are noise and insurance.

I still remember talking to a young mother who lived adjacent to a public park that we used to use years ago. The site was so small that it could not handle 50 foot lines. Almost anything up to 50' but always less than!

She told me that she used to worry about her little boys coming out on to the park when we were there but she watched us through the curtains for a while. It was a site that we used to use after school when th ewind was blowing one way--as it happened, away from the adjoining houses. We were always tough on the little kids, yelling at them to get back behind the flight boxes while flying loops and wingovers away from where they were.

Eventually the mom came and spoke to us about how she instructed her boys to do what we told them to do while we were there and actually admitted to me that the noise of our unmuffled 1.5cc engines was less if a proble than the noise her little darlings made inside the house.

Crucial issue is, negotiate with the neighbours and any other stakeholders.

Schools are a potentially fertile trawling area as you can offer a 'quid pro quo'.

And who wins, provided you are a member of AMA. The deal with the school principal is:

Let us use your football field/baseball diamond WHEN YOU DO NOT NEED IT and we will ensure that no uninsured fliers use the facility. In return, we will help the students to build and learn to fly CL model planes. Juniour high-school woodworking projects have great potential!

Catch 22. Unless school principal indemnifies his students, they have to join AMA, if for no other reason than to be covered for insurance, before they can fly the gadgets that you helped them build.

So whose a sick puppy then?

Cheers

Geoff

Dzlstunter · Dec 18, 2000 01:56 PM

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I may be wrong, but I THINK the AMA's Intro-Pilot program can be used for controlline beginner programs as well as RC. Then the students don't have to join AMA while they experiment with the hobby/sport.

Currell · Dec 18, 2000 04:07 PM

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Try muffled, loop scavenged .15s (like Fox or Greenhead K & B) on 52 foot lines. They are very quiet, and you can sneak them in smaller places, because of the smaller footprint. They are almost as much fun as the traditional .35 on 60 feet. Or Schnuerle .15s; a little louder, though.

Places...

Hardtop areas behind businesses in distinctly business districts on weekends sometimes works.

Currell

Larry F · Dec 20, 2000 07:43 PM

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Gang --

Thanks to All! Good tips, and I have some excellent prospects.

As Yogi Berra said, "You can see a lot by looking."

Larry F

RocketCityJim · Jan 04, 2001 01:06 PM

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I have a huge paved parking area without much in the way of interference from light poles at the local class AA baseball farm affiliate that I have my eye on! The paring area isn't in use except during the spring summer and early fall, and then mostly at night after 5:00 PM and not at all during away games. Just need some permission from the ownership though.

Rocket City Jim

Randy · Jan 04, 2001 10:51 PM

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Yea, I looked at a local stadium where a AAA ballclub plays. It's just down the street from where I work and is empty except during home games and practice when the team is in town. It's fairly out of the way and noise shouldn't be a problem. It's even next to the local Parks and Rec offices. About the time I started to inquire, the team was put up for sale and the future of the stadium is now in doubt. I couldn't find anyone that could answer me as far as permission.

Hey, I patronize the team (catch maybe a dozen games a year), think that would count for something.

Randy

LNeumann · Jan 05, 2001 01:26 AM

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Check with the General Manager. (Call the ticket office, if nothing else). Offer to bring your plane down and show it to him. Maybe even offer to do an exhibition on the field before or after a game some time. If you do, have someone do announcing and tell what each maneuver is and the requirements of the maneuver before you do it. And don't worry. The crowd won't know if it is perfect or not. They will just ooh and ahh anyway. (Just don't plant it into the ground. Or, if you do, take a bow and have the announcer cover like "Hey, wasn't that a good....")

Leonard Neumann

Larry F · Jan 06, 2001 10:18 AM

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Leonard --

You are a marketing genius! Halftime shows (football) at the College and High School level are a little bland. Picture Matt flying his Stuka at halftime at the Orange Bowl! Wow! It would not only work at the TV level, it would work at the local level just as well.

Here we go! Let's do it! I know most CL fliers are introverts and avoid this kind of thing, but Leonard's idea forces us out of our shells, and makes the world a better place.

Larry F