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DesignMan · Oct 01, 2002 05:41 PM

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In answer to a question in another thread, here is my basic "tweak" for just about any engine:

I usually completely disassemble my engines and check the fits. The key item is to get the crankshaft to spin freely in the case when all is super clean and dry.

I have a 5x40 x 1” bolt from which the head has been removed that I use for many tasks. Call it the "stud".
First, I remove the cylinder and piston and backplate from the engine. Screw the stud into the crankshaft, put the rear of the engine on a wood block, and give the stud a whack with a hammer to drive the shaft out of the Drive Washer.

Next is a step you only use for non-anodized case engines! Lap the shaft into the case with toothpaste, or 1200 grit valve compound. Clean VERY thoroughly (I use an ultrasonic cleaner and (gun) bore brushes) You want all that stuff OUT before you run the engine, or it will never stop cutting!

If the case is anodized, you have to polish the crank down to fit without touching the case. The anodizing provides a hard, oil absorbant finish you don’t want to remove.

Chuck the stud into a drill or drillpress, screw the shaft onto it, and at medium speed, polish the crankshaft surface. This is done by wrapping a piece of well oiled 600 or finer w/d paper around the shaft in a loop where you are holding both ends pinched between your thumb and forefinger. Run the paper up and down, and also get the front face of the crank-web. Just a half minute should give the surface an incredible shine. This reduces out of roundness, wavieness, and improves surface finish. This was something I tested with Cox's QC equipment, so the effect is real.

Now, I go a bit farther, and rebalance the shaft. I grind flats from the crankpin boss to the edge of the "smile" counterweight. Then I drill a 1/16" hole down the center of the crankpin to just above where the conrod bearing area ends. Thus the crankpin root is at full strength, and no durability is lost.

Finally, I will take my Dremel with a small diamond bit and smooth the rear edge of the "window" port in the shaft to smooth the corner where the incoming charge transitions from the venturi to the crankshaft hole. This is inside the crank, and you probably should wrap the shaft in masking tape to prevent slip-ups from touching the outside of the shaft.

The rest of the engine is left stock, unless the piston/cylinder fit is unusually tight. If so, you have the opportunity to add a bit of taper to the piston and cylinder. I do that by hand. Again wrap some oiled 600 grit around the top half of the piston, and rotate it by hand, moving the paper slowly upward. Two or three shots of this should reduce the top diameter by about .0001". Similarly, use 600 grit on a dowel to open up the cylinder from about 1/2 the bore downward with special emphasis below the top of the exhaust ports.

Ideally, the piston should now go easily to about 1/16" below the top of the bore and then stop (Again with everything ultra clean and dry).

Use an ultra-sonic cleaner and brushes and towels to get all the grit and grinding debris out of the engine. I reassemble mine with Tri-flow teflon impregnated oil. May help, may not.

Use the stud with a 5x40 nut and a couple of oiled washers to pull the drive washer back onto the shaft. Try to start it into the old grooves, and make sure it bottoms out.

For comparison, on a stock 6x3 Cox gray prop and 30% Nitro, my Medallion .049 turns 16,500. My best Tee Dee would do 19,500 on that combo. Good luck.

Larry Renger
think S.M.A.L.L.

kdheath · Oct 01, 2002 09:07 PM

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Thank you, Larry, for your practical advice. I will try a few of these things on a Black Widow and see if it will free up and run better. It's not at all bad, but could be more consistent. Then I have some TeeDees that might benefit.......Do I understand it right that the silver cases as on the Babe Bee are not anodized and the gold or black cases are? Are all TeeDees anodized?
Thanks!
Kelvin

Iskandar Taib · Oct 01, 2002 10:11 PM

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Larry Renger wrote:

>Next is a step you only
>use for non-anodized case engines!
> Lap the shaft into
>the case with toothpaste, or
>1200 grit valve compound.
>Clean VERY thoroughly (I use
>an ultrasonic cleaner and (gun)
>bore brushes) You want
>all that stuff OUT before
>you run the engine, or
>it will never stop cutting!

How can you tell if the case is anodized? Or can we assume that all silver cases are not anodized?

DesignMan · Oct 02, 2002 10:37 AM

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So far as I know, none of the silver cases were anodized.

Larry Renger
think S.M.A.L.L.

Dr Spark · Oct 02, 2002 03:34 PM

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WOW! That seems like a lot of work to go through on a 1/2A engine. I have found that stock 1/2A engines are pretty good as received!

However, I know of modelers of yesteryear who would spend hours on McCoy and Dooling getting the bearings perfectly aligned!

Good thing that this is just a hobby, so that this kind of effort will not affect the world situation, or the future of civilization.

Floyd

DesignMan · Oct 02, 2002 04:06 PM

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See, the problem is with a comment like: "lot of trouble to go with a 1/2A engine".

I happen to like small models, they aren't "leftovers" or "second best" or "when I have time" in my book, they are my preferred type. There is just as much machine time making a 1/2A engine as a big engine, and the fits have to be a heck of a lot better! A good 1/2A plane takes more finesse to build than a big one.

IMHO, the FAI made a big error when they allowed bigger than 1.5cc engines in aerobatics. You would still see great competition, but people would have had to learn how to REALLY build light!

And don't give me the "wind" argument either. I have flown my 4 oz 1/2 A Snapper through a judged pattern when many others with "big" models were quitting due to the wind. Got a decent score, too! It can be done, and it is a lot of fun to learn.

Sorry, soapbox time! ;p

Larry Renger
think S.M.A.L.L.

kdheath · Oct 02, 2002 11:35 PM

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My 8 y/o son flies his 1/2A stuff when the local Intermediate/Advanced hotshots are hiding in the trees and have their planes in the car. Don't talk to us about flying 1/2A in the wind. But then I grew up in West Texas, where if you didn't fly in the wind, you seldom flew at all......

Mark Boesen · Oct 03, 2002 10:41 PM

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What kind of glowhead and number of gaskets are you using? I've reworked many TD's for 1/2A pylon, but always lapped the piston to the point that it would almost fall out of cylinder when lightly tapped, but swinging a 6" prop I think your piston set up might be better.

Mark

DesignMan · Oct 04, 2002 10:43 AM

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The best head I have tried is Doug Galbreath's conversion head for the sport Nelson plug. But the one I had was stolen at the same time as two planes and two toolboxes.

Generally, I have been using the Norvel plugs as they are readily available. I also like the flat coil inserts from Lite Machines.

3 gaskets seems to work most of the time, but it varies depending on the specific engine, fuel, prop. My Medallion seems to like a low compression C*x plug and 2 gaskets. It works so well, I never bothered experimenting. "If it ain't broke....."

Larry Renger
think S.M.A.L.L.

shelby554 · Nov 13, 2002 05:22 PM

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I recently put a dual port cylinder on my Golden Bee hoping that it would run more like a Black Widow. Naturally it did not. Upon checking both intake/venturi diameters, just as I suspected, the Black Widow had a larger bore. I reamed out the Golden Bee to the same diameter, tightened the piston/rod socket, replaced the fuel pickup tube and made some new gaskets. Best I can tell it now runs as well as the Black Widow, but unfortunately, now uses as much fuel. Any one else tried this?

Don Jones

Don Jones

DesignMan · Nov 13, 2002 05:27 PM

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Not too surprising, since what you did is EXACTLY what makes a Black Widow except for the color.

If you use a Tee Dee piston and cylinder and the high compression head with a couple of extra gaskets, and drill out the venturi still more, you get close to what the Venom was.

And it will use still more fuel.


1/2A's my thing, but 4-stroke and diesel ain't bad

Larry }

Larry Renger
think S.M.A.L.L.

Willis Swindell · Nov 13, 2002 08:16 PM

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There is a good article in May 1981 Model Aviation, page 50 on hopping up a 1/2 A reed valve.
Willis

BillLee20018 · Nov 16, 2002 06:40 PM

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LAST EDITED ON Nov-16-02 AT 06:41 PM (CDT)

>There is a good article in
>May 1981 Model Aviation, page
>50 on hopping up a
>1/2 A reed valve.
>Willis

Yes, that was in one of my Racing columns. Not my words since as the column stated, I was not then into 1/2A racing and asked some folks who were to write it up for me.

Bill Lee

Ty M. · Nov 14, 2002 01:45 AM

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Another "trick" that will gain a few hundred rpm is to remove by doing figure "8s" on 400 grit on a glass surface, of the bottom of the cylinder until both intake ports are on the side and the exhaust ports are fore and aft. This on a Tee Dee .049/.051. I learned this trick after coming in second too many times in 1/2A Goodyear. Al Culver taught me this trick, finally, after I begged him to show me how his "stock" .049 engines were outperforming mine, and everyone else's. It helps the engine breath. We did all the other stuff too. Our version of 1/2A Goodyear was any profile of any plane that raced in Bendix, Goodyear, or Cleveland or Reno air races. Also any that made speed records, thus we had Bearcats, F2G's, F4U, P39, Me209(?), P51s, Rivets (T tail) etc. Lots of fun.

greatcircle · Nov 15, 2002 03:57 PM

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>Another "trick" that will gain a
>few hundred rpm is to
>remove by doing figure "8s"
>on 400 grit on a
>glass surface, of the bottom
>of the cylinder until both
>intake ports are on the
>side and the exhaust ports
>are fore and aft. This
>on a Tee Dee .049/.051.
>,

O.K.,I don't have a lot of experience with Cox engines, not for the last 30 or so years, but I think I got the part about lapping the bottom of the cylinder using glass and 600 grit,(horizontal, and well-oiled, I presume) but HOW will that move the intake ports to the positions described? HELP!

Carl

Jim T. · Nov 15, 2002 05:00 PM

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Think TyM had a typo there. He ment to say that you lap the top of the case where the cylinder seats so that the cylinder could screw in a little furthur to get the ports alligned. I also understand that you can put a TD 09 head gasket under the cylinder lip to go the other way. I read somewhere that the threads in the case for seating the cylinder were random so that orientation of the ports was not controlled. Thus you might get an engine with the ports properly oriented to begin with.

Jim Thomerson

Ty M · Nov 15, 2002 06:08 PM

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Thanks Jim. I did have the wrong part in typing, but in my head it was the case. What was I thinking (what? you were thinking?) Ha. At any rate it does get a better flow through and both intake ports are equal distance from the venturi, so equal amounts of fuel get on top. Better combustion rate and pattern in the combustion chamber and more complete combustion as I was told. This is not unlike a hemi engine with proper breathing. Those extra few hundred rpm's can make a difference at speed or in climbing for 9 seconds for that max.

greatcircle · Nov 16, 2002 10:16 AM

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Thanks, guys. Now it begins to fit... Maybe a little teeny supercharger...? Hmmmm.

Carl

Ty M> · Nov 16, 2002 02:18 PM

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We always ran our TD .049's on bladder pressure by using a Binks Baby Pacifier. 25% Missle Mist. This and the other "tricks" got one of mine to run at 22,000+/- rpm by actual tach measurement. Scarry something that small doing that!!. The prop was a hand crafted fiberglas 5 1/2 X 5 made by a club member. He made about five a week and you had to stand in line to get them. I got ONE!!!.

gcb · Nov 14, 2002 04:23 AM

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...This is done by wrapping a piece of well oiled 600 or finer w/d paper around the shaft in a loop where you are holding both ends pinched between your thumb and forefinger...

Larry, I seem to remember an article in a magazine recommending 1200 w/d paper. I THINK it said initially to use 600 then progress to finer. Is there any significant benefit to using 1200 or finer after the 600?
Another question is how do you remove ALL of the grit if you do not have a sonic cleaner? I have just used fuel, then soap and water. Perhaps I'm not removing it all.

Thanks,
George

DesignMan · Nov 19, 2002 03:39 PM

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Go to a gun shop and look for the correct size cleaning brush, the nylon ones, not wire. That or a small batch of pipe cleaners twisted together should let you truly clean out the bore of your cylinder or crankcase. Soap, water and a rag will take care of external surfaces. Tooth brushes are good too. Just get into all the crooks and nannies!

1/2A's my thing, but 4-stroke and diesel ain't bad

Larry }

Larry Renger
think S.M.A.L.L.

gcb · Nov 20, 2002 06:23 AM

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Thanks.

George