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Randy · Jan 28, 2001 05:00 PM

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Hi folks,

So, what are you all working on for the upcoming season? I'll give a brief recap of my activities:

Just putting the finish on a bizarre plane of my own design (entirely, my own). It will use a Stalker .61RE on a pipe and should be interesing if a bit heavier than planned.

I'm in the midst of building a variation on Mark McLaughlin's Tango Red. This was a redesign of Gierke's Novi IV (the neat eliptical job). Mine is the same size as the Novi with a different airfoil, fuse and moments, but should be killer on a PA.40 with pipe.

Just returning to a Classic plane. A Jerry Worth Electra X-35. Probably owon't be done until mid summer. It's a lot of work. Plan to use a Neumann modified OS .35FP.

So, what are the rest of you doing?

Randy

SteveD · Jan 28, 2001 06:10 PM

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Nothing as interesting as above. A rebiult Ringmaster that took a lot of abuse last season. Also a non flaped .15 Magician,a full sized Magician with all the tricks learned from this foroum. And hopefully a that Oriental will be finished. Steve D

Rnady Ryan · Jan 28, 2001 09:48 PM

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I'm working on a Dennis Schauer Gladiator in the large version. Power is slated as a Stalker .51. This airplae is BIG, 67" span. It's coming out light, I've been very careful picking my balsa. I usually built pretty fast but I've run into alot of obstacles for some reason ans my building time has been limited. With some luck though it'll be finished by spring.

Randy Ryan

Scott Riese · Jan 28, 2001 11:32 PM

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Got my own plane ready to start next week. It will be OS 40 VF and should be a good one.Just finished a HI JOHNSON Cougar today with Johnson .35 power. Came in at a LIGHT 31oz. I'm Also going to have a Windy's Cardinal Going at the same time as my own plane, and I'm refinishing my All American and another cardnial.
Scott It's True!!!

Randy · Jan 29, 2001 12:16 PM

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LAST EDITED ON Jan-30-01 AT 09:30 PM (EST)

>>Got my own plane ready to start next week. It will be OS 40 VF and should be a good one.Just finished a HI JOHNSON Cougar today with Johnson .35 power. Came in at a LIGHT 31oz. I'm Also going to have a Windy's Cardinal Going at the same time as my own plane, and I'm refinishing my All American and another cardnial.
Scott It's True!!! <<

No doubt it is. But you have quite a bit more building time than most. I'm looking forward to seeing your stuff at Roseburg.

Randy

Mo · Jan 28, 2001 11:28 PM

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I've got a mess o' work cut out for myself!
First I've got to finish the Mustang repair, and I'll modify the rudder using the latest information from this forum on rudder offset.
Then I have to build a Galaxy, which was a Christmas present from my flying partner, followed by a Twister. When they're done I want to scratch build a 1.5 scale Flite Streak, that's a 63" span! Too much for 3 months? We'll see........
It's fun to hear what everyone's up to. Good idea!!

currell · Jan 29, 2001 08:16 AM

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1. Wowee

2. Other 1/2 A models

3. What I hope will be a really light Nobler

4. Scratch Hollow Log Vickers Wellesley semi-scale for .10

5. Sterling Hellcat

6. Kimura (.15) Skylark

currell

Larry F · Jan 29, 2001 07:56 PM

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Mo --

The 1.5 Steak sounds like fun! I wouldn't take the 1.5 literally and build a 3/4" fuselage! <G>

Be sure and let us know how it worked out. So far, you got the "imagination award" for this thread.

Larry F

RocketCityJim · Jan 29, 2001 08:19 AM

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Gosh, I've got a lot to do myself. They are:

Finish painting the Shark .45 - Work on a Cavalier Wing - Finish making some cosmetic and minor structural and aerodynamic changes to my Brodak Lagacy kit, so I guess I'll call mine Legacy Plus.

RCJ

"Z" · Jan 29, 2001 10:33 AM

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"Z"

I'm ready to cover my Mike Pratt "Profile Force" with a Lew Woolard OS 40FP and have a Gieseke Nobler (TF) started that will probably have my Fox 35. I also have a novel little 55% Windy Spitfire started that is next to get my full attention. It will have a Norvel .061 and has around a 33" wing span. Lots of wing area too.

Waiting patiently is my newest airplane, a Windy Cardinal and it will be powered by a Double Star 60BB.

I didn't know their was a special building season. It seems like I'm always building or rebuilding something.

Currently their are several new control line planes being built in Arkansas. It's great to see this activity and so many new and returning faces. We recently had a dozen planes at our field.

Later,
"Z"

Flyin_Again · Jan 29, 2001 12:29 PM

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I'm just about ready to cover the wings of my Banshee with silk. The next project is an all balsa Skyray. I've got the wood ordered for a S1 and S6 Ringmaster. Then....

I think that's enough for now, but I might just try to build a profile Oriental in my spare time.

This is the good part of being retired!

Bill

Larry F · Jan 29, 2001 08:43 PM

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Gang --

Sounds like a bunch of good stuff coming up! It is fun to read others dreams and indentify with them.

My Dream Ship is a little different, and I plan to build a protype profile version this summer. The Stunt world has had so much success with the midwing flapped standard that we all think it is the only way to go. The basic platform has been the same for 45 years that I know of. It works! If you follow the basics of design, you are unlikely to build a dog.

Well, let's go outside the box. What about a biplane or a high wing?

My Dream Ship is a J-3 with her tail held high like a peacock in level flight. The other ships look like pigeons who barely can fly. Inverted, she drops her tail like a lady, and flies a little tail low.

Obviously, there are a lot of technical problems in getting (angles of incidence of wing, stab, and thrust line) a high wing to fly half as well as a mid-wing. Seems like a fun problem!

Larry F

willis · Jan 30, 2001 08:04 PM

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Larry
Mike Garmon has solved your problem with your cub. I think Flying Models has the plains. I have one it fly’s great, build it like the plans call for I changed a couple of things after I built it and it didn’t fly as good as the original. I moved the lead outs to under the wing thought that would make it fly better, WRONG. Inverted the engine for looks, that threw it way out of kilter
Willis

LNeumann · Jan 30, 2001 10:46 PM

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I would think that if you inverted the engine that you would need to move the leadouts down even further. You want the leadout guide to be at the vertical center of gravity. Hang the plane by the leadouts and see which way, if any, the wing is banking. Then move the leadout position accordingly to get the wing to hang parallel to the lines. If you don't, it is going to be doing some very strang things out there on the end (hopefully) of the lines. (Let's see now, how fast did you say you can run?)

Leonard Neumann

Larry F · Jan 31, 2001 05:37 PM

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Leonard --

Yeah, in the normal mid-wing stunter, vertical CG is a non-issue. The reason I wanted to build a profile prototype is to saw a big hole in the fuse and give myself some room to move the belcrank up and down, same with the leadout guides.

I wouldn't know how to calculate that in advance, and the full fuse version makes sense as a side mount, so the profile data should apply.

Also makes sense (I think) to use a slightly positive AOA on the wing and stab to get that pretty "tail high" look. With a thrust line to compensate, I don't think that would make it fly all that wierd.

Larry F

Jim T. · Jan 29, 2001 09:17 PM

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The AB Trixter Twin OTS for two Cameron 19's is almost finished. The major task remaining is making up fuel tanks for it. It is an interesting problem. The fuel tanks go through the fuselages and can only be 2 inches long. The inside engine faces out and the outside engine faces in, so placing the tanks to get similar engine runs requires a little thought.

When that is finished, I will start on another OD "Agile Arrow" flying wing. It is 61 span, 720 squares. The first one weighed 52 oz and flew well with an old K&B 4011. My goal was to design an "out of the rut", good-flying, simple to build airplane. The original took me four times as long to build as it should have. I've thought up some simplifications and identified a number of areas of overbuild in the original. I'm hopeful of publishing a construction article in Flying Models.

Larry, on your high wing airplane--for some preliminary orientation you might build a Boxcar Chief and fly it in OTS. It amazes me how well that airplane flys.

Jim

Bob Reeves · Jan 30, 2001 03:41 AM

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Here are a couple of pictures of my latest creation, a real fun project and should be an attention getter at the field.

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It is basically a Fancher Twister with a twist of Ringmaster. 35 oz. with OS 35 S. Monokote with Lusterkote on the fuselage.

All that stuff the experts talk about works. Larger tail feathers. 0.6 degrees of positive stab incidence, 0.0 rudder and engine offset.. This thing fly's like it is on rails but turns on a dime.

Bob

Bob Reeves · Jan 31, 2001 11:02 AM

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LAST EDITED ON Jan-31-01 AT 11:42 AM (EST)

First, sorry about the pictures actually being downloaded with the post.. I intended to only post the links but guess I don't know how to do that on this board

Second, I really appreciate the interest this plane has generated, my email inbasket has gone crazy. Please do not get me wrong, No problem on the emails I am happy to answer any questions that you might have. For those that haven't heard.. This plane is going to published in Stunt News and full size plans will be available through PAMPA. Not exactly sure when but we are working on it..

Bob

PS: "Zuriel" I tried replying to your email but your add didn't work.

Jim P · Jan 30, 2001 10:24 PM

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Two conventional projects in various stages but the one really grabbing me is a really big profile for ST 60. Having never flown a 60 size before and never flown over 65 ft lines, it occured to me that I should try it before having something bad happen to a ship with a lot of time and money in it. This will be Fancherized Twister moments stretched to 36" total fuse length, a really fat, C tube 11.5 inch constant chord at about 62" total with 3" tips for around 700 Sq., 5/8 fuse with 1/8 extra hard sandwiched between two 1/4 mediums from spar back, 1/8 lite ply between the 1/4ths from spar forward, a 1/2 balsa tripler, epoxy and glass wing fuse joint, adjustable leadouts and real sexy looking vertical stab and rudder, 3/8 tail surfaces airfoiled nicely,might do adjustable rudder but don't really want to go overboard on this one. Will dope and silkspan fuse, ultracote wing, stab and elevator. I am cutting ribs now and should have her finished in a couple of weeks or so.

Expect to come out around 55 oz and be nose heavy. Someone please tell me now why this project is a bad idea or why it won't work. Barring any real negative input, I'll proceed and report on how it flew or how big a hole it made.

godzilla · Jan 31, 2001 11:14 AM

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I would urge you to go a little smaller. There really is no need to think that you need a lot of square inches for a ST 60. In fact, all the pipe guys are running 60’s and 65’s in 40 sized airplanes. This is really the way to go. I would recommend a wing with a chord closer to 10”, and a span closer to 56”-58”. Try to keep the squares under 650. Nose moment should be about 9”-9.25” and tail moment 16” to 17”.

To be more definitive, this is what I would do:

Nose moment 9.25” to back of spinner.
Wing chord 9.75”. Use Saturn or Stiletto airfoil (Not toooo thick-constant chord remember)
Flaps would average 2” and would be 3” less than full span on each wing panel.
Total wing area with flaps would be 658 sq. inches.
Tail moment 16.5”.
Stab should be 60 to 65% of elevators.
Weight should be 50 to 60 oz.
Get your St 60 reworked by Jim Greenaway (far superior).
13-5 BY & O (4.5 actual pitch)

elmores · Jan 31, 2001 09:28 AM

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LAST EDITED ON Jan-31-01 AT 10:20 AM (EST)

From the mid sixties to early seventies I used to hang around the local control line crowd but never had much success myself I did fly once but that's about it.

Since the early seventies I have had one or two other attempts to 'get my act together control-linewise' but with little success.

My latest attempt (I'm 46) has been muched helped by having the internet handy to find products and ask questions on.

What I have in hand currently are:

A Hallam Swift/Fuji 15 (the Swift is a profile with British style combat wing).

I have been going a bit mad buying motors recently and now have a McCoy 35 RH, an OS25FP-S, a Fox 35, a Torpedo 35 and 2 Stallion 35's (one shiny case and one matt). In the next few months I intend buying a U-key 35 and a Gotcha Streak 2000 for these.

I also intend buying a Stalker 40SE which I will put in a U-key 40 to start with.

My biggest stumbling block in the past seems to have been getting a model finished, I am hoping that getting some models which take the minimum of finishing will at least get me flying!

Then perhaps I can think about moving on to something more exotic.....

vernon levy · Jan 31, 2001 05:46 PM

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Like Tony,
I am a UK resident and had mixed fortunes as a kid with control line. However I have worked through a variety of Uk diesel powered designs over the past couple of years and am working on the transition to larger glow and diesel powered planes.

I hope to have a .40 PAW powered Freebird, a Fox .35 powered Brodak Nobler, an ST G21 .40 powered Grondal Nobler, in the air early in the season and these will be underpinned by a 0.09 PAW powered Rascal stunter, a 0.09 powered mercury Picador combat wing, an Oliver Tiger 0.15 powered Warlord combat wing and a couple of vintage 1/2A team racers and speed planes.

Our inclement weather has assisted with the cutting out of lots of 'kits' and rib sets as there have been very few opportuniis to fly since October.

Just yesterday, I acquired a second Brodak Nobler kit at a bargain $71 (£50) and a deBolt Speedwagon to put aside for future building. They are joining a Green Box Nobler kit, a Geseike Nobler Kit and an Oriental kit not to maention a wide selection of FF kits on the shelves in my shed.

How many other modellers have a 'back catalogue' of kits to build, I know the engine list topic has been covered (I am too embarassed to admit the full extent of mine as it reminds me of how much money I have laid out over the years). Kits may be a safer topic as I am assuming that the numbers in a collection may be more conservative. Or am I wrong

Vernon

In Leeds, UK