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Larry F · Feb 17, 2001 10:35 PM

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Gang --

How do you go about building a fuel tank compartment for a full fuselage stunter? Do you build a hatch, and leave room for adjustments? Or do you seal it up like King Tut's tomb? What do you use for packing around the tank, top, bottom, back, and front?

Larry F

The Kiwi · Feb 17, 2001 10:54 PM

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LAST EDITED ON Feb-18-01 AT 01:53 PM (EST)

Start with a mount crutch that is extra solid. A half-inch balsa spreader with the grain "across" the span and dowelled to the bearers is a good start, although I like a hardwood "ladder" with bearer wood across the main beams, attached wit wood screws.

Totally eliminate the forward firewall so that the compartment is open to the front, behind the engine. Use tanks with all of the tubes out the front end, so they can be slid in and out. Close in the compartment on the other five sides, and seal it with finishing resins.


Kiwi


P. S. Wedge it in place tightly with closed cell foam rubber padding while determining whether it needs to be shimmed up or down, then add a few dabs of silicone seal near the front of the compartment when you are ready for a "permanent" mount. This is easy to cut with an Xacto if you ever do need to remove the tank, or replace the foam padding.

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Scott Riese · Feb 18, 2001 12:04 AM

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Larry...Windy has a good video on how to do tank compartments. It's in his Cardinal Series. He shows all you need to know and it's simple. I use it ON ALL of my planes! Scott PS it's the easest way and save alot of time!

Bigiron13 · Feb 18, 2001 12:28 PM

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You can either build a hatch or the slide in method listed above. With the hatch method you may have to reposition the fuel and vent lines to get the hatch on and off, so both methods have their assets and problems.
What ever you do, DON'T bury it and seal it in !!! Murphy's Law is absolute in that it WILL give problems by either leaking or not running uniformly between upright and inverted.
Bigiron

Larry F · Feb 18, 2001 01:31 PM

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Thanks to all, but I am still a little lost. OK, I got this big hole and no firewall, but the tank is smaller than the hole. My plan was to stick some styrofoam on top of and behind the tank, and possibly add some to the bottom depending on rich / lean inverted / upright. Now, we have nothing holding the tank in place forwards and backwards. Seems like an easy solution is to stick another block of styrofoam between the engine and the tank, and essentially let the engine hold the tank in place. Is that right?

Larry F

kdheath · Feb 18, 2001 01:42 PM

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Larry,
I would use foam rubber rather than styrofoam. The rubber may help prevent fuel foaming. Some styrofoams will dissolve into goop in contact with raw fuel.

LNeumann · Feb 18, 2001 04:06 PM

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I guess there are two schools of thought on this one. 1) soft mount it with foam. 2) hard mount it. We subscribe to the hard mount group.

Make the tank compartment as above. 1/4 inch or 1/2 inch balsa cross grained between the motor mounts, with the mounts going all the way back to the wing. We make the crutch this way before gluing it to either fuselage side. We have found no need to add dowels or screws. This becomes the "bottom" of the tank compartment. Mount the engine on aluminum or phenolic pads. We use 1/8 inch pads (2 pieces of 1/16 phenolic together). Then make a "top" of the tank compartment out of 1/8 inch balsa and mount it between the fuselage sides 1 1/4 inch above the "bottom". That will give you 1/4 inch of adjustment--1/8 inch in either direction.

We than use balsa shims as follows: one 1/8 inch to use on one side of the tank (top or bottom) and a stack consisting of one 1/16, 0ne 1/32, two 1/64 (plywood) on the other side of the tank. If you need to move the tank up or down, use the stack on the side in the direction you need to move the tank, and take one shim out and move it to the other side. You can thus adjust in 1/64 inch increments.

If you wedge the tank in tightly, it won't move foward or backward. You can put a styrofoam block in the back of the tank if you want, but it is not needed. If you need to move the tank is smaller increments, or wedge it tighter, add business cards to the stack. You want to wedge it in absolutely tight so that it won't vibrate and cause foaming.

Leonard Neumann

Larry F · Feb 18, 2001 10:17 PM

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Absolutely on the mark perfect plan! I can't imagine improving on doing the shims the way you describe.

Larry F

Jim T. · Feb 18, 2001 10:42 PM

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I like Leonard's method and have used it. Another method I have used several times is to build in a hook in front and in back of the tank and rubber band the tank in. I them build a hatch cover that is removable with side rails that fit inside the ply side doublers. I bolt this front and back on both sides with 2-56 brass hex head bolts and blind nuts on the rails. It makes a solid front end and the tank is quite accessable. I sometimes run all the tubes out in front anyway so as not to have the cut into the side rails of the hatch. An accessable tank is a must.

Jim