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LNeumann · Feb 19, 2001 08:59 PM

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OK, I am going to start a new thread, here. We all have some pet techniques which we have heard about or use that maybe most of us already know about and maybe some of us don't. Let's put them down here and see what we can add to everyone's stunt lore.

I will start with one on transferring rib patterns to balsa wood. If you copy the rib sections only onto a separate piece of paper on a copy machine, you can then lay the copy pattern face down on the balsa and iron the print onto the wood. Since copy machines use heat to set the ink on the paper, heating it in that way will melt and transfer the ink just like you were printing it onto the wood in the first place.

OK, your turn. What do you have to offer?

Leonard Neumann

Currell · Feb 19, 2001 11:49 PM

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I make a copy of the ribs, and rubber cement the copy sheet to the balsa. Then cut them out. About the same amount of work, and you don't need a Xerox machine.

I do like your idea, though.


Another one: To raise or lower a tank in a full fuse compartment, I use clear plastic bubble sheets used for packing. Use the kind with the smaller bubbles. I cut the sheet out in the same size as the tank, like 4" by 1.5", or whatever.


A section of a Pringles potato chip can makes a good start for a cowl. Use the rolled lip for the front.

You can find little teeny tiny instrument panels in Flying magazine.

Cheapskate Special: Punch out and save the eyelets from those little Perfect parts packages.

Currell

faif2d · Feb 20, 2001 01:11 PM

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I do a lot of stick and tissue models right at the moment, and I find the best way to transfer Xerox patterns to balsa is to use a DAMP not wet paper towel folded up into a pad about 3" sq. This will release the ink and give a much nicer line on the balsa than heat. The key here is to just get the paper towel pad damp, with acetone, if it is to wet the ink will run. You do have to rub for a small amount of time and press hard while doing this but it seems to work better than the heat at least for me.

I always wondered why I liked to paint with dope, now I can't remember

Crap Shoot · Feb 20, 2001 02:00 PM

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When putting together a simple knock around profile ship using foam wings glued to the sides of the fuselage take the wing halves prior to assembly and butt them together along with the spars to keep things lined up and draw a reference line on the leading and trailing edges to help keep things lined up when it's time for the glue.

ucflier · Feb 20, 2001 02:59 PM

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To put really nice 45 degree bevels on control surface edges, I made a tool by picking up a 24" length of angle iron from a job site. I procured a 9"x24" piece of particle board and contact cemented laminate on one side. Along one 24" side, on top of the laminate, I attached the angle iron upside down (looks like a long 'pup tent') with three screws through holes drilled at the point of the right angle. I then bought a roll of medium grit 2" wide sandpaper and attached a 24" piece to the side of the angle iron facing the 9" width of the board. I also waxed the laminate to give a low friction surface to slide the balsa on. Mark centers on the control surface edge and sand against the angle iron while holding flat to the laminate until center line is reached, then flip over and repeat. Fast, neat, exact 45's.

Bill Sawyer · Feb 20, 2001 05:27 PM

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When I install silkspan I tear the edges instead of cutting them. This gives a feathered edge. The exception to this is where the silkspan must end at a rib ( the biottom piece )>The top layer where I continue I tear it. This lessens some of my sanding.

Larry F · Feb 21, 2001 07:25 PM

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Gang --

Here is a summary of some things I have stolen from this forum.

1. Make everthing (fuel tank, leadouts, wingtip weight, gear, controls) as adjustable and removable for modification as possible. (Wise words from one of this forum's Black Belts)

2.Use no CYA where you might ever sand. CYA weeps out to a hard rock that is unsandable (is that a word?).

3. Freely throw kit parts away and upgrade / reinforce.

4. Buy tools. Buy good tools. As a teen, I "drilled" motor mount holes by heating 1/8" music wire and making repeated attempts at making the hole. I will never scrimp on tools again! The difference between an expert builder and the others is often in the quality / choice of tools.

5. Design or steal alignment jigs / ideas from anyone you can. Straight is good. Crooked is bad. The brass tubing extensions as landing gear alignment guides is an example of "stealing" an idea.

Larry F

Currell · Feb 21, 2001 10:12 PM

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More: Go to any machine shop and ask for small blocks of squared off steel. They are great for fixturing, aligning, putting weight on a part being glued, etc.

Go to the fancy-schmancy subdivision in your neighborhood where they are building overpriced homes, and go to their scrap wood junk pile. Grab what you need, like a flat launching pad, a building board, etc. Notice that I'm not, repeat NOT suggesting that you five finger discount any stuff that the builders are going to use. (Up here, in the Detroit 'burbs, the builders mostly are are Cosa Nostra, so you end up being really, really bashful around the building site. Like, I can lose my fingers in Nelsons the honest way).

Cut a piece of wood like a 30-60-90 triangle. Make it thick enough so that it will stand on its own. It's relly good for aligning your wing and stab at 90 degrees and straight with the fuse when you sight from the nose down the plane. You just slide the hypoteneuse in and out to you get it right.

Currell

Big Country Joe · Feb 22, 2001 07:01 PM

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This may the ultimate cheap! I save the static sheets from our dryer. They make excellent wipes for paint brushes, moping up epoxy or simply getting crud off your hands after tinkering with engines.Also find a small square of leather, epoxy or CA it to a hardwood block. It really works well as a temporary sharpening surface for #11 blades. Works just like the old razor strop from years ago. (That last comment really dates me!)

kdheath · Feb 22, 2001 08:52 PM

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This isn't exactly a kink, but it got booted off of Brand X forum, and this seems like a fair place for it, if this is OK with Leonard. If you haven't gone to Small Parts web site and ordered a free catalog, you've missed a treat. Several thousand bits of parts, materials, and tools for the modeler/engineer/
manufacturer/tinkerer. How about titanium tubing for the ultimate pushrods? (Spendy!) Stainless steel bolts in a myriad of sizes. Brass and copper tubing. Pulleys and belts. It's real feast for the gadget-happy!
<www.smallparts.com>

Larry F · Feb 22, 2001 11:00 PM

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LAST EDITED ON Feb-22-01 AT 11:04 PM (EST)

I did some tests, and your plan works well. I would call it brilliant, but then you would get a swelled head!

Because of my business, I hate paper as a media for any EXACT image transfer images (it is to prone to anamorphic distortion with heat and humidity because of grain). I used transparency material (that stuff you make copies on of your presentation when the CEO is visiting). With the iron on method, the transperancies provided a sharper transfer image than paper -- less fuzzy around the edges.

Using the overhead material as templates (cutting the ribs out with scissors, then following around the edge with a razor blade) DID NOT work. The media is too flimsy even with crutches and tape help.

With either media, I got a slight size change from the original, and both about the same. The error is around .020 over 9" (thickness of ribs is OK, length is a fuzz short), and the copy is the smaller of the two. We can live with that, right? I mean is a judge going to tell you you are not OT legal for .020? It may be I have a funky copier and you will do better.

Larry F

Larry F · Feb 22, 2001 11:21 PM

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A subtle advantage of Leonard's method is that part numbers come out backwards, as if you were looking at them in a mirror.

That would make for interesting conversation if you were lucky enough to crash in front of a large crowd, and the spectators helped you pick up the pieces.

Larry F

Steve Helmick · Feb 23, 2001 12:34 AM

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As far as wing ribs go, I prefer to stack, carve and sand ribs for tapered wings, and make one plywood tempate and cut constant chord ribs one at a time. I cut the template out of 1/32" ply, and stick an appropriate number of bent over pins through in appropriate spots and glue in place with CyA and baking soda. Then I stick the template to the balsa and cut 'em out with a hand sharpened #11 on an old scrap of balsa or foam. But what I really wanted to tell ya about is 1/64" plywood. Poor man's carbon fiber! Larry Cunningham and Tom(?) Farmer are making built-up profile fuselages using this stuff for the sides. I built a CG Buster for FoxBerg racing and covered the rear of the fuselage with it. I tucked it under the extended 5 ply nose doublers. The weight was not critical for the event, but the penalty is not bad. What was amazing was the stiffness. It was just like a piece of 1/2" plywood. The tail surfaces don't "buzz" like every other Fox powered profile. Bruce Tunberg made a wing for his .65 speed model with a balsa core and 1/64th ply covering, and it was easily stiffer than a solid basswood wing and far lighter. Steve

kdheath · Feb 23, 2001 01:06 PM

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>As far as wing ribs go,
>I prefer to stack, carve
>and sand ribs for tapered
>wings, and make one plywood
>tempate and cut constant chord
>ribs one at a time.
>I cut the template out
>of 1/32" ply,

When you do these templates, start with a half pattern of the rib section. Draw a centerline on your template material, lay the half pattern in place, draw around it. Then flip the pattern over to draw the other half. Now the top and bottom curves should be identical. Old work workers trick.

I very much like the 1/64" plywood, too. I built a flapped profile stunter many years ago that had the plywood on the fuse, wings sheeted with 1/32 balsa and silkspan. Also had a 3/4" wide spruce beam running the length of the entire fuselage-in the center. Would have made a good baseball bat. Survived everything except a run-in with a 4 strand wire fence....

Larry F · Feb 24, 2001 08:04 AM

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KD --

I think the half rib and flip approach is obsolete with cadcam plans. In the 60s, I used to build most everything that way. The flip variation caused by the builder's vision limitations can be as much as .010 (.005 with a 7X magnifier)and I have data collected under ideal conditions, not in the building room. With hand drawn plans, the plan error is probably greater than .005. With cadcam plans, the plan error is zero, so I would prefer not to flip in today's world.

This is obviously more important in tapered wings than in straight wings where you can assure symmetry with a sanding block. Yeah, you can assure symmetry with a sanding block on tapered wings also, but I am not going to write 4 pages saying why I think that is a bad plan.

Larry F

LNeumann · Feb 23, 2001 08:16 AM

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>
>With either media, I got a
>slight size change from the
>original, and both about the
>same. The error is around
>.020 over 9" (thickness of
>ribs is OK, length is
>a fuzz short), and the
>copy is the smaller of
>the two. We can live
>with that, right?
>
>Larry F

Larry, some copiers are intentionally set up to make the copy "slightly" smaller. Zerox is notorious for that. We had a Zerox machine at our church and we were copying forms that would be used to type permanent records into. (Records that could be placed into a book). The original form was spaced perfectly for the typewriter. We made a copy of it, pasted some stuff on it, and made a copy of that. It had shrunk just enough that the typewriter spacing was now off. The next time the Zerox repairman was out (about once a week or so) I asked him about it. He said it was purposely set up so it would make a copy slightly smaller so you would be sure of getting all of your copy on. I asked if he could adjust it for exact size and he said, "Yes, but I am not allowed to do that." I said, "We bought this machine! We are the ones who allow you to do it." After about another half hour of persuasion while he was on the clock and undoubtedly charged us for it, he did adjust the machine accordingly. So, if your machine is set to reduce, as you say, it should probably be a simple adjustment that could be made the next time your friendly repairman is out. Or, try a 101% copy and see what that does.


Leonard Neumann

Bigiron13 · Feb 23, 2001 03:20 PM

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I ran into a problem getting copies at Kinko's. I found that when they copied a set of plans off, the plane and parts were stretched longer than the master set being copied, in the direction that the copy was rolled through the machine, but in the top to bottom direction the copy stayed the same as the master,. I took the plans to a blueprint shop, and they ran a copy (at three times the cost of kinko's) and it was accurate both ways. Since both machines were of the same brand and type, I asked the Blueprint shop worker why there was a difference in the accuracy, and he told me that there was both linear AND laterial adjustmants that should be checked and maintained.
I told Kinko's operator about what he said and they said "NO WAY" BUT!!! When I went back (to Kinko's) a couple of months later, I got good accurate copies, and have been getting good ones ever since.
NO WAY???? HMMMM
Bigiron

Crist Rigotti · Feb 23, 2001 11:37 PM

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Here's one. For my stooge line, I use an unchalked chalk line. I got it at Menard's and it's bright yellow (easy to see) and it's a "snap" (pun intended)to wind back up!

Larry F · Feb 24, 2001 08:24 AM

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Leonard and Bigiron --

Although the error is only on the order of 1/4 of a percent, I wouldn't be surprised if 101% isn't a better choice. I will do a test. I didn't really check to see if the distortion was anamorphic. If it is, I can't change the direction of the ribs, as they are longer than the 8 1/2 media width. I have to run them in the length of the rib as the "through the machine" direction.

It is irritating that some bozo makes a product and makes mathematical round offs and adjustments for the user, and is arrogant about why that is "good for" the end user.

Thanks to both of you, I have a better picture of how to attack the problem. I'll let you know the results.

Larry F

Tom M · Feb 24, 2001 06:39 AM

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Here is a hint for people who get painfull cracks on their heels.
Thin CYA glue.
Instant relief.
By the time the glue wears off, the crack is healed.
Do not use accelerator!

Tom M

Randy · Feb 25, 2001 01:55 AM

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Hmm, so I know anything?

--Use the silver oxide sandpaper for sanding dope. It doesn't load up.

--Make your own tools to hollow out blocks. Take varous sizes of brass tubing (I use 1/4", 3/8" and 1/2"). Cut about a 1/2" off the end of the tube and split it. Straighten out the sides and solder it at an angle on the end of the tube. You can use an x-acto knife to sharpen both sides of the loop to push or pull though balsa. Beats every other tool to hollow balsa I've tried.

--You can get stainless steel "T" 4/40 bolts from a nut and bolt shop. They are killer for pushrod ends.

That's all I can think of for the moment.

Randy

Steve Helmick · Feb 25, 2001 02:57 AM

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>--You can get stainless steel "T"
>4/40 bolts from a nut
>and bolt shop. They are
>killer for pushrod ends.

Randy, what the heck is a "T" bolt? Sounds like a good name for a fighter or a glowplug! Steve

Randy · Feb 26, 2001 01:50 AM

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They're 4/40 bolts with a small "T" head. Just push them into a carbon end plug with a slot for the "T" to fit into.

I got mine from a place called Hi-Strength Bolt.

Randy

Steve Helmick · Feb 25, 2001 03:02 AM

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SuperGlue (CyA) also works great on blisters on your feet. Cuts on your fingers, too. Pinch it closed, wipe away excess red stuff and apply glue. I never use accellerator, but do use baking soda.
Steve

peabody · Feb 25, 2001 10:36 AM

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I tried that and cannot get my socks off?

G.Man · Feb 25, 2001 10:38 AM

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In response to your Hints and Kinks forum, I have found
such as with the Brodak modern stunt ships, increasing the
thickness of the wing tip (along the edge only) greatly
improves the ease of covering when using heavy grade silkspn.
This is done by adding curved pices if 1/8 scrap balsa to
each side of the parent wing tip.Then shaped and sanded round.
Wet doped Silkspan can be rolled over the finished rounded tip a lot easier than with the thin one.

G. Man

kdheath · Feb 25, 2001 11:44 AM

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Credit Windy U for this one: When edge gluing balsa sheet (like planking, molded turtlebacks to the fuselage sides, sheet splices for tail surfaces, etc), tape the edges together with short pieces of masking tape with gaps in between. Add drops of thin CA between the bits of tape and wipe the joint quickly with a Q-Tip. It fires the CA and leaves a clean dry sandable joint. Remove the tape and run the joint with CA and wipe with the swab. No popcorn and sands OK.

Currell · Feb 25, 2001 09:34 PM

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More: Leather fillets. Do yourself a favor. No more paint blisters. No more sanding.

Bill Sawyer sells them in three sizes.

Currell

jerry · Feb 26, 2001 07:27 PM

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i use a length of 4/40 all thread rod to cut and file the slots for control horns,works great.....jerry

jerry · Mar 05, 2001 04:12 PM

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ENGINE ALIGNMENT,i use a 3/8th by 1 by 12 inch alum. flat bar to replace the prop,then use a square off the side of fuselage as you lay out the mount holes,also good for checking alignment after a unplaned landing...this is a great thread keep it going,thanks jerry

jacobite · Mar 06, 2001 03:54 AM

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>ENGINE ALIGNMENT,i use a 3/8th by
>1 by 12 inch alum.
>flat bar to replace the
>prop,then use a square off
>the side of fuselage as
>you lay out the mount
>holes,also good for checking alignment
>after a unplaned landing...this is
>a great thread keep
>it going,thanks jerry


You could also use the above method to line up the 2 engines of a twin-engine stunter, just squint along the wing to make sure the "props" are parallel.
I did this with real props on my last twin, your idea sounds much better

Dave Moffitt