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Larry F · Feb 24, 2001 07:20 AM

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Gang --

From other threads, there are some sharp CL historians out there. Please help me pin down the date of a Ringmaster kit I just bought. I suspect it is mid to late 70s. Here is what I know:

Purchased at AHC in 1983 for $17.78 (sticker is still on the shrinkwrap).

On the front of the box, left to right, we have the plane with white wings and stab / elev, checkered maroon accent on the left wing, bright blue fuselage, and a maroon accent on the wing, stab, elev roots. The wheels are large diameter and very skinny. In the middle of the box is a bulleted blurb that starts with "clear plastic canopy". The dominant feature of the front is a solid red oval that says "Ringmaster" in reverse white type, and further blurbs also in reverse white. On the far right is a black and white picture of clean cut 60s looking David Nelson type flying with his left hand (!) and his handle is horizontal!

I know in 1960 Ringmasters had balsa canopies, so this one is obviously much newer than that. I haven't opened the box yet, so if there are additional clues inside, let me know.

Larry F

Larry F · Feb 24, 2001 07:00 PM

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More clues --

I opened the box. No plans, just an instruction sheet folded up like a set of plans. The instruction sheet shows only a balsa canopy, but the clear canopy was indeed included. The instruction sheet shows cloth hinges, but what was supplied was a strip of poly. There is a separate little 3 x 4 instruction sheet touting the advantages of poly hinges, and that they got stronger with age. The blurb says:

"The use of polypropelene as a hinge is now wide spread commercially & industrially because this miraculous plastic actually gets stronger with each bend . . ." They suggest straight pins clipped off to hold the new hinges in place.

Do I need to make a balsa canopy to be OTS legal?

Larry F

Currell · Feb 24, 2001 10:25 PM

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The clear canopy Ringmaster, kit S1-A (you have the sheeted D tube wing, right?) came out in 1979.

currell

Larry F · Feb 24, 2001 11:32 PM

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LAST EDITED ON Feb-24-01 AT 11:34 PM (EST)

Currell --

Nope. It is the solid leading edge with the plywood "stronger than balsa" joiner. The kit ID is clearly S-1, not S-1A.

So I assume it is pre 1979?

Larry F.

Currell · Feb 24, 2001 11:38 PM

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My guess is that they made a running change to a clear canopy somewhere in the mid-late 70s. Currell

Larry F · Feb 25, 2001 04:11 PM

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Currell

Do you know if I have to revert to the balsa canopy to be OTS legal? I decided to call it a '78, but assume it is unchanged and still OTS legal, right?

Larry F

The Kiwi · Feb 25, 2001 05:45 PM

RE: Vintage Ringmaster versus canopy type & OTS Rules #6 source
Any judge who did want to complain about the plastic deserves to have his derrierre kicked thoroughly! But AFAIK, the old balsa canopy is still within the cutout part of the fuselage, where the wing will go.


Kiwi

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Currell · Feb 25, 2001 09:24 PM

RE: Vintage Ringmaster versus canopy type & OTS Rules #7 source
Larry: I can see a particular brand of hardass OTS judge at least commenting on the clear canopy.

I'd go with the solid, myself.

Or, figure out a way to make either interchangeable. It could be done. I know this is an off-the-wall suggestion, but you could do this, if you can't make up your mind, or if you liked the clear, but were forced to compete in OTS with solid.

Currell

Larry F · Feb 25, 2001 10:23 PM

RE: Vintage Ringmaster versus canopy type & OTS Rules #8 source
Currell and Kiwi --

Thanks! Never thought about the wing plug being the canopy! Was Sterling smart enough to do that? I don't remember, and this kit is not die-cut that way.

Anyway, I am going balsa canopy (using the fuse plug). A Ringmaster with a clear canopy is like wearing brown shoes with a tuxedo. That is kind of a backwards analogy, but you know what I mean. It doesn't fit, somehow.

Larry F

Ray · Mar 19, 2001 09:52 PM

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Got my first Ringmaster around 1964 or 1965. It had the plastic canopy but the plans showed wood. Came with solid rubber wheels that doubled as hockey pucks. Hinges were cloth.

Bob Reeves · Feb 26, 2001 04:05 AM

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Larry, I have the exact same kit you are talking about. Except for the canopy it is identical to the original S1. As you have already decided it needs a balsa canopy in order to be OTS legal.

You can probably shave several ounces off the finished weight by cutting another fuselage from better wood, the one I have is like a piece of oak and I am pretty sure this was typical.. Some people also hollow out the leading edge. The trick to a good flying Ring is to build it light.

Bob

LNeumann · Feb 26, 2001 07:52 AM

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Dumb question, guys, but since most OT rules allow for changes in construction materials and even internal structure, if the clear canopy is the same shape/size as the original balsa canopy, wouldn't this still be OT legal? You could cover the whole airframe with clear plastic film if you want. Showing the insides would not be against the rules. Same should be said about the inside of the canopy.

Leonard Neumann

currell · Feb 26, 2001 11:33 AM

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Len: You clever devil, you. Interesting interpretation. Should have been an ambulance chaser, for sure.

Actually, in in my very humble opinion, using a clear canopy on a OTS Ringmaster is a bit beyond the spirit of the rules.

Goodness gracious alive, how hard can it be just to put the balsa one on and be done with it?

Or, once again, figure out a way to pop one on, and pop the other off at will.

Currell

Bob Reeves · Feb 26, 2001 05:39 PM

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Just taint right to put a plastic canopy on a Ring, same as using the gawd awful plastic wingtips that come with the Estes kit. But I am an old f*** and maybe my age is showing...

Jim T. · Feb 26, 2001 08:30 PM

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First, which set of rules are we talking about? GSCB or PAMPA?

Larry is right, using the clear canopy is reproducing a later than 1952 airplane, whether it is legalistically legal or not. This is sort of a special case. I've done painted canopies on OTS airplanes that had clear canopies, but there were no later versions that had painted canopies instead of clear. I wouldn't put a bubble canopy on the pre-1952 Veco Papoose, although later versions had a bubble canopy.

Jim

Dzlstunter · Feb 26, 2001 08:55 PM

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In my opinion, the clear canopy looks much worse than a well-executed solid one--and not nearly as "vintage." John

George Bain · Feb 26, 2001 09:04 PM

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The last S-1 kit I built (2 yrs ago) had both the plastic and wood canopy. It also had both cloth and plastic hinges, and both wood and plastic control horns. I used cloth hinges and the wood horn (drenched in CA).
You are also allowed to use adjustable leadouts and tip weight. I opted to use them.
I may be wrong, but I think you are NOT allowed to change basic construction except for safety. Lets face it, you can use molded LE, built up fuse, I beam wing, etc. and come out with a super light model...but is it really a Ringmaster? Are you going to enjoy flying a model "as we did back then" with it? I think not.
But that is only one person's opinion.
Whichever way you go, enjoy your plane!
George

peabody · Feb 27, 2001 09:09 AM

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Build it and fly it! OTS has become a "designer class" anyway...I'm still searching for even an inkling of authenticity for a Jamison Special. John Miske invented OTS, and he lets plastic canopies fly, because they come in a kit with the same awful wood and crumby aerodynamics as the original.

It takes a pretty stuffy fella to complain about a plastic canopy v. wood.

See Ya

Peabody