New Oriental

Actually I just needed an excuse to try posting a picture, but I got my first six flights on my new Oriental. Still some trim issues, but so far it's a keeper. 40 ounces and a Magnum .36, good grief it is pretty spry! So far the most noticable adjustment was switching from a 11x4 Zinger to a 10x4 Grish 3-blade. (yes I have a couple stashed) Lap times are under 5 secs. but on 59' lines. I agree with everyone that Magnum is nice.

Mike H.

OK, so I haven't figured out this picture thing yet.

Compress to 50kb or less, check correct file type, wait for loading. That's about it. It's real pretty, Mike. I'm not sure I can read the AMA #'s, which is required for contests. Anybody? Hope to see ya in a couple of weeks, at Arlington. Steve

sue looks nice Mike. Can't wait to see it fly.

Mike,

If you are getting under 5 sec with 59 foot lines then trying 61-63 foot lines wouldn't be out of the question.

Hi Mike,

I like it! Keep working on it.

We found a 10 1/2 Bolly 3 blade that we pitched to just under 4.
In a 38 oz. Ares, it flies at about 5.3-5.4 on 61' eye to eye.

It's a great set up!
Bill <><

>Actually I just needed an excuse to try posting a picture,
>but I got my first six flights on my new Oriental. Still
>some trim issues, but so far it's a keeper. 40 ounces and a
>Magnum .36, good grief it is pretty spry! So far the most
>noticable adjustment was switching from a 11x4 Zinger to a
>10x4 Grish 3-blade. (yes I have a couple stashed) Lap times
>are under 5 secs. but on 59' lines. I agree with everyone
>that Magnum is nice.
>

Wow- a Magnum 36 in a 40oz model?

Certainly sounds like longer lines would be in order.

Brett,
It is really a great set up! Aaron's Ares is 38 oz., and with other good stunt motors it would need to fly in the 5.0-5.1 range on 61 Eye-Eye. It flys with the Magnum XL II at 5.3-5.4 with NO problems on the same lines! It really DOES have a run VERY similar to the 40VF!
Bill <><

Good Job Mike

JUST DON'T HIT THE GROUND}>

>Brett,
>It is really a great set up! Aaron's Ares is 38 oz., and
>with other good stunt motors it would need to fly in the
>5.0-5.1 range on 61 Eye-Eye. It flys with the Magnum XL II
>at 5.3-5.4 with NO problems on the same lines! It
>really DOES have a run VERY similar to the 40VF!
>Bill <><
>

Yes, it does. Meaning it will easily fly 650 square in/60+ oz. "full-house" models with authority. I would have never had the idea of putting a 40VF in an Oriental.

Brett

Hey Brett!! You are right, I would never have thought to do that either! My questioning/reasoning was the weight of the 40VF in a Classic 35 size ship, not the power.
To be quite honest, I am surprised that the Magnum flys Keith's Saturn so well! My Saturn (redrawn to a Juno) started life with an OS 40VF and now has a PA 51 (all piped). Have even considered a PA 61 in it!
Bill <><

>>Brett,
>>It is really a great set up! Aaron's Ares is 38 oz., and
>>with other good stunt motors it would need to fly in the
>>5.0-5.1 range on 61 Eye-Eye. It flys with the Magnum XL II
>>at 5.3-5.4 with NO problems on the same lines! It
>>really DOES have a run VERY similar to the 40VF!
>>Bill <><
>>
>
> Yes, it does. Meaning it will easily fly 650 square in/60+
>oz. "full-house" models with authority. I would have never
>had the idea of putting a 40VF in an Oriental.
>
> Brett

My airplanes have always been heavy. Well, this one isn't, one of these days I'll get it right. The first two flights were on 64' lines and a 11x4 Master airscrew, before the next flight those lines got tangled in and on-ground incindent that I'd rather not describe in detail. I'll go back to 64' (handle to CL a/p) again. The speed is a little much but there is no lack of power or acceleration.

Wow, An Oriental I like! Good lookin' ship!

Mike,

Via the Stuka Stunt message service I sent you balance-point information and other related stuff. None of which included over-powering your Oriental to such an extent, but did you get it?

Dan, I haven't received anything. According to the plans it is a little nose heavy. I was about to get in touch and ask you about it. As far as over powering, like I said, normally my stuff is way too portly. To deal with too much power (oxy-moron?) seems easier to deal with. I guess I didn't realize how much weight I could save with Mono kote and a little more care with wood selection etc. Actually, it feels pretty good on longer lines.

Great-looking Oriental, Mike; I look forward to seeing it in person.
I'm interested in knowing what trim problems you encountered.
Alas, I never have sorted out the trim problems (well, one problem, mainly) with my O, and have pretty much given up on it. I just fight it and say "better luck next plane." Too bad, because I can tell it should have been a great flier. I get fabulous engine runs with the OS .35 FP on 60-foot lines. It grooves nicely and turns snappy outsides, but the bugger just will not turn insides. I've tried all the usual fixes and some unusual ones, to no avail. Only thing I can figure is I built in some sort of incidence somehow. No surprise with a hacker builder like me. Well, I had fun building it an may try another someday.
(Then again, somebody reading this will know of a simple fix and I will wish I had posted this two years ago).
--jt

Probably should start a new thread but... Are you sure the push rod isn't flexing inside the fuselage. Not sure what you have tried but it should be fixable..

The incidences on my ARF Nobler are not right but I was able to make a pretty good flyer out of it by adjusting the push rod so the elevator is slightly down when the flaps are neutral and enlarging the hole in the elevator control horn to put in a little slop. Sounds like you may need to go the other way, elevator slightly up with the flaps neutral but first you should be sure the push rod isn't flexing.

Hold the up line in full up and see if you can push the elevator down, if you can, the pushrod needs more support. May mean cutting into the fuselage but better than having an airplane you can't fly.

Good suggestions, Bob. I'll take a close look at the things you mentioned. I've already cut into the plane once, another surgery probably won't hurt it much!
--jt

John, funny thing is that my Oriental gave me a major "pucker" on my first oustide attempt. After a series of wingovers and dives amd some insides I pulled out inverted for a couple of laps was feeling pretty confident so I attempetd and outside loop (dumb idea). Well I cleared by a couple of feet. No harm no foul, right? After changing my undies and some counciltation with my flying buddy I was more confused. While I watching his flight and thought about the problem I recalled many pictures of planes flying level in "Stunt News", both upright and invereted. They all had one thing in common; the nose was slightly elevated. This issue (incidence) has been addressed more than once on this forum. I know I don't have a flex problem in the pushrod 'cause of carbon fiber and ball links. My next move was to lengthen the pushrod to the elevator. Big difference! After that, outsides were tighter and it developed a little roll (reverse hinge) on insides. At this point I'm about back at sqare one. I had to go to work after that and need to change lines anyway.