Another kit Poll

I receive many emails reguarding future kits I will be making
Now I do have a few irons in the fire(so to speak) anyway
I would like some opinions on what designs would the gang
like to see come out
also which ones would you actually buy if they were available

Please list both choices and keep this list focused on
O.T.S. and Classic Stunters.

#1
#2
#3
etc.

lets see what the survey says

Classic:

1. Roadrunner
2. Warburton Fairey Firefly

OTS:

1. El Diablo
2. Pagan

Walter, I'd really like to see a kit of Wooley's beautiful Argus or Cobra available. The strip ribs and absense of wing sheeting should make for an affordable kit.

Classic: #1=Cobra #2=Cobra #3=Cobra #4=DeMeco Continental.
OTS: #1=Galloping Comedian #2=International Stunt Winner.
but then we have discussed this before

Ok here is one that I've wanted forever.
1 The Sterling Spitfire.Everyone knows and wanted one. How many ever got the chance to fly one. Done right by walter it could be great.
2 Cobra, sexier looking then the Ares, a real gotta have.
3 Scarinzi's Trident or Grey Ghost. 2 really neat if somewhat overlooked designs
Dennis

1) Anything by Jerry Worth or Steve Wooley.
2) See 1)

OTS: Galloping Comedian
Classic: Kenhi Panther

1. El Diablo 1. El Diablo 1. El Diablo

1. Dave Gierke's Novi III (the one with the drooped stab).

2. Don Shultz' Avenger

3. Steve's Cobra

1. La Donna - Sheeks (Had the mag since I was a kid, always been tempted to build one)

2. Gee Bee Extended - Bob Miller (Just plain cool)

3. Shark 35 - McFarland (Nice little ship, hear they fly great)

4. Ringmaster Imperial - (Have always wondered how one would fly with modern power, besides cool factor.)

5. Rayette - Gialdini (Cool, one of the few Classic profiles, and much better flying and looking that most!)

I'll second that!

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>I'll second that!
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>Andrew Tomasch

The El Diablo, that is...

AT

1. McFarland Dolphin

2. Southwick Lark

3. Kostecky Talon

4. McFarland Shark 35

All of those are Classic: 1958/1968

5. Hunt Prowler (oops - modern one)

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Kiwi

1. Cobra
2. Dolphin
3. Ares
4. Renegade

For info, Brodaks is kitting the 59 or 61 Ares. I talked with Bill W about it at VSC and he said the plans were the only hold up at the time. So that one is being done, and Walter has the El Diablo under way too. So it comes down to the Cobra, Walt.

1) Bill's '62 "Ares", if John is doing the '59.
2) Steve's "Argus" - still the most beautiful planview ever. (MHO, of course!)
3) "Road Runner" with Morris building techniques to encourage building to useful weight.

Yeah, I like some of the "smaller" ones. Kitted or not, I think one of these is in my future. I wonder if anyone can talk Gary Tultz into drawing up plans for the I-beam "Apollo". Mario Rondinelli's "Venus" would make a good kit too.

> Mario Rondinelli's "Venus" would make a good kit too.
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>SK

Looking at the Venus plans, I can't believe that plane was flown on a Fox 35!! Pretty big.
Bill

I think that the Venus had about a 9/16" larger span than the attractive Jerry Worth plans I have (Thanks, Dennis!). The dual use of the 13th rib and cap stripping need plans clarification, as does stab/elevator chord ratio. Otherwise the plans are really nice, and the robust wing section and efficient tips make this appear to be a very potent classic stunter for sure. Jerry Worth was very complimentary regarding the "Venus" in his 2/69 M.A.N. "Mirage III" article, pretty much implying that his wing and horizontal tail planforms came from the "Venus". They look it. Does anyone know whether there were significant differences between Mario Rondinelli's two "Venuses"?

Rondinelli quote sent to me by Dennis S. of canada:

"My Venus was 55 3/4" span...I was fortunate in acquiring a good strong Fox engine (necessary, I think, for such a large aircraft). A bit much for a Fox most flyers thought at the time."

You have all suggested beautiful. High tech classic and OTS designs, but...

Lets not forget the beginners, and the up and coming in our hobby/sport. They are still in need of something rugged, economical, and quick and easy to build. One airplane comes to mind that no one has done at all would practically fall together and fly great with an UPRIGHT Fox .35 is the Combat Streak! Basically a Flight Streak with a box body. Put a two wheeled landing gear on it and pass it around at your club!

Ward Van Duzer

Ward! GREAT suggestion. I remember having one of those about 30 years ago. Flew great, just don't know what happened to it.
Any plans anywhere?
BTW: Aaron put that OS 32 to very good use in his Ares.
Bill

Ward,
How are you??

Hummmm?

Looks like we're narrowing it down to the Cobra or RoadRunner
now if nobody else is planning on kitting them

which one should we choose???

and the big ?? is how many of you would actually order them ??
if I was to kit it.

As I suggested it first I must say that I would DEFINITELY order a RoadRunner....

Ward and Bill Little,

A couple years ago I built a Combat Streak, although weren't they called Super Combat Streaks? Per Brett's suggestions I used an O.S. 25FP. Actually, he suggested the 20FP. And was right, the 25 having a bit more of everything than would otherwise be ideal for the sort of model/motor combination I was after.

I purchased plans from Barry Baxter, although someone else must kick in with enough information to actually get in touch with him.

Excellent plans.

And isn't amazing how small these once-big models really are?

>A couple years ago I built a Combat Streak, although weren't
>they called Super Combat Streaks? Per Brett's suggestions I
>used an O.S. 25FP. Actually, he suggested the 20FP. And was
>right, the 25 having a bit more of everything than would
>otherwise be ideal for the sort of model/motor combination I
>was after.

What a great little plane. I wish that someone would make a short kit. Wing ribs, maybe fuse sides.

I hear Roadrunner being as a choice, but would like to see a different mix:

1. Werwage Vulcan
2. Paslowski Atom
3. Combat Flitestreak

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>And isn't amazing how small these once-big models really
>are?
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Just today I held a Ringmaster that I finished in the same basic color pattern as my first. I still remember how big I thought the first one I built was - I was all of 13 at the time, and the engine was an old three bolt Fox 25.

Now it seems all too small. Of course, my 12 year old thinks it is a giant, so...

Yeah, while Mike Alimov and I were spraying my overdue sterling "Yak-9" and "P-Force" with his equipment this afternoon, I couldn't help but again marvel at how the "small" P-Force now dwarfs the Yak-9, which had been the first "Big" plane I built as a kid. Perspectives do change!

>Ward and Bill Little,
>I purchased plans from Barry Baxter, although someone else
>must kick in with enough information to actually get in
>touch with him.

Here's the addy for Barry's site:

http://www.controllineplans.com/index.htm

>And isn't amazing how small these once-big models really
>are?
>Dan Rutherford

My first Ringmaster sure seemed "large" at the age of 13.

Thanks, Dan!
Bill

>My first Ringmaster sure seemed "large" at the age of 13.
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>Thanks, Dan!
>Bill

They *were* large! I had fooled around with the plastic RTF Cox 1/2A's and even had an 020 PeeWee. One Christmas my uncle sent me a Ringmaster kit and a McCoy 35 redhead. One of my friends came over after I had built it and exclaimed, "Boy! That's a BIG engine you got in there!" I was 11 at the time.

You should have seen me shakin' in my sandals trying to start that monster for the first time! I think I used a wooden ruler as a chicken stick. I got it started and ran it in a blubering rich 4 cycle.

I have a recollection I wrote for our newsletter about 15 years ago - tells of my "Humble Beginnings" in modeling and C/L. I suppose I could post it online some day... It could be interesting to see how many others had similar experiences.

My first "Big" CL model was a CG Buster, 2" shorter in span that the Ringmaster if memory serves me correctly. I wore out 3 McCOy .35s that summer which may not sound like much, but my Dad was also a modeler and had remarked on ther fact that these were all good running Mc's. He footed the fuel bill and threatened to cut me off!

I flew on the ball diamond at the school around the corner which was adjacent to the home of the nastiest lady in the neighborhood. Years later I met her and asked why she'd never complained about my model flying. She looked and me and said, "I knew there was at least one kid staying out of trouble when I heard that noise". She wasn't so nasty after all.

How times do change.

Randy,

>My first "Big" CL model was a CG Buster, 2" shorter in span
>that the Ringmaster if memory serves me correctly. I wore
>out 3 McCOy .35s that summer which may not sound like much,
>but my Dad was also a modeler and had remarked on ther fact
>that these were all good running Mc's. He footed the fuel
>bill and threatened to cut me off!

My CG Buster hangs on the basement wall, with a just broken in McCoy 35 Red Head in it. Basic construction by my dad circa 1965 on the kitchen table (I was born in '59). I think he paid $7.95 for the engine. I finished it out in super coverite and Aerogloss dope and flew it a lot in college (until 1980). Comfortable inverted flight was the major achievement. The Aerogloss crazed badly, so early '90s I stripped and re-finished it. Brush finish with Sig. Presentable but heavy. It needs only a muffler for the McCoy and some decorating an it is ready to go. I did pull test it before re-finising. Dad used mostly white glue, so the joints seem to have held up OK. I've got two more McCoys waiting in the wings...

It hasn't been mentioned and it seems that there is a consensus for an I-Beamer or a Super Combat Streak, but I'd buy a good kit of the Dave Hemstrought (Sorry if it's misspelled..........I'm currently away from my magazines.) PT-19. It might be a natural for those folks who made it through the rigors associated with the Cox version of the plane.

Another 2¢ from the far north.

>It hasn't been mentioned and it seems that there is a
>consensus for an I-Beamer or a Super Combat Streak, but I'd
>buy a good kit of the Dave Hemstrought (Sorry
>if it's misspelled..........I'm currently away from my
>magazines.) PT-19. It might be a natural for those folks
>who made it through the rigors associated with the Cox
>version of the plane.
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>Another 2¢ from the far north.

Interesting you would mention the Cox and Hemstrought's PT-19. I was a mere lad of 11 years and was learning on the Cox PT-19 (my 2nd attempt at C/L). I was successful this time. Meanwhile, I watched a guy putting a Fox 35 powered PT-19 through it's paces. That was the first time I'd ever heard a motor running a 4-2 break. Don't know who the pilot was but I was totally mesmerized watching him do perhaps six consecutive inside squares - all with that Fox breaking perfectly on each leg. Then I saw him do something I've neven seen before (or since).

He laid down on his back and continued to fly varying maneuvers - many behind his head!

I can still picture the U.S. ARMY lettering on the underside of the PT and that red/white striped rudder. It's a spectacular specimen for a semi-scale stunter.

The first ever model mag I picked up was the American Modeler 1965 Annual edition. Had a full scale PT-19 on the cover and had Hemstrought's PT-19 article inside. Also had full coverage of the Dallas '64 Nats. Just picked up two copies of that issue on auction and fondly remember every article, picture and ad.

Walter:

I would like to suggest the Argus and the Shark 35.

For Classic
1)Pegasus
2)Sky Dancer

OLD Time
1)YO-YO

Scott (Like them)Riese

OTS

1. El Diablo

Classic

1. Cobra
2. Ares
3. PT-19

Walter, you might want to give some consideration to Netzband's 57 Fierce Arrow. It would certainly be one of the most unique kits ever offered. The F/A is a real hoot to fly and it is very impressive looking in the air.

OTS: Wildman 60 (Floyd Carter), International Stunt Winner (Red R.)
Classic: Sieverling P-51, Mackey Gobbleswantz, Southwick Lark.
I'm not too crazy about OTS, but would sure buy a kit of the Classics, particularly the Gobbleswantz or Lark. Steve

OK it has been decided

the Cobra is on my future kit list and I have started to make arrangements to bring this to life.

We are getting a copy of the plans from a world class flyer and they will be redrawn in CAD by John Miller/aka jobellcrank and the kit will feature laser cut parts and high quality wood and hardware

I would ask that anyone seriously wanting one send me an email
so I can make enough kits, when the kits are actually started I will email you back for a deposit and that will guarantee you a kit.
sorry but the price of the kits will have to be determined at a later date.

If anyone has a nice photo of the Cobra can you please post it here or email it to me so I can post it.

Ok Walt. You just solved my problem. I'll take two. Ty M.

How about a picture for the few of us in the dark? I probably wasn't even a glimmer in my paren's eyes when it flew.

Hi Steve. Go to:http://www.classicaircraftmodels.com. It takes awhile to down load, but in the section on stunt planes is a long history and how to build a Cobra. Ya gotta luv it.

Paul Walker's Cobra at VSC 14

I wouldn't mind having a kit of the Cobra but I would need to have a final price before I would commit to buying one.

Hey Bill, for you I would cut one for 500.00 American.

Here's a picture sent to me by Dennis Sadjak

Dang!!! This thing is a beauty! I wouldn't mind building one either!

Walter

One more for the ElDiablo. What's the semi-educated guess on the arrival? The check can be in the mail Wednesday.
Thanks Newell

>Walter
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>One more for the ElDiablo. What's the semi-educated guess
>on the arrival? The check can be in the mail Wednesday.
>Thanks Newell

Hi Newell that one was delayed for a bit but will be back in the works so please no money yet
and not to worry there's one with your name on it
I'll let you know ASAP

Below is a pretty one off Elmore’s website
I think it belongs to Paul Walker

I think this may have been a good choice

Not counting the planned prototypes
There are several kits officially pre-ordered already

Please keep them coming

How about Charles Mackey's 'THE PROFILE' or Clair Sieverling's Crusader?

1. Nate Rambo's "Curtiss Swift".
2. Chas. Mackey's "Hummingbird" (PRETTY little airplane).
3. GMA's "Peacemaker" in either of it's variations.

Hello All from Kazakstan!

I have not been able to research this yet, but there is at least an outside chance that Tom Warden's CONTINENTAL fits into the Classic category. He wrote the article in the summer/fall of 1970 and it got lost in the Christmas rush according to the article and had to be reprocessed, this time by Bob Baron doing the typing as Tom's slave. Anyone ever find any of that Profile Blimp helium anywhere? The article actually appeared in the March 1971 issue of MAN. Therefore, the plane had to exist a good while before the article was originally typed, which could have put the "Designing" of the plane to be pre 12-31-69??? What an excellent addition to the Classic ranks this georgeous airplane would be!!!! This is one plane that I would really like to see kited. The Minado too, but the Minado is pretty well know as not Classic eligible.

moving this up

In looking thru some models that fly better than other classic airplanes, I wonder about why no one has done a kit of Dick Mathis Chizzler. Very near modern moments. Original used hollow blocks, but could be replaced with molded parts for lightness. This is a small airplane that might compete with modern larger airplanes with an engine like an Areo Tiger or even a Brodak 40.
Steve