SRiese5283 · May 25, 2003 08:27 PM
#0 sourceScott (no pilot ere) Riese
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Scott (no pilot ere) Riese
Scott
Thanks for the up date sorry to hear about your Plane loss. I plained on being there this year with my new plane. The plane is ready but I am still waiting for my engine to be returned. Now where did I send that thing it's been so long I almost forgot.
Old Time Stunt (Judges: John Miller, Scott Riese)
Dan Rutherford 321.5
Mike Conner 320.75
Keith Varley 311.75
Roy DeCamara 311.0
David Fitzgerald 308.5
Jim Aron 307.0
Pete Peterson 278.75
Floyd Carter 254.0
Heman Lee 180.75
Mike Haverly 176.5
Bill Ledden 136.0
Classic (Judges: Dave Fitzgerald, Scott Riese)
Gordon Delaney 540.0
Ted Fancher 527.5
Don McClave 523.5
Phil Granderson 502.5
Dan Rutherford 494.5
Pete Peterson 482.5
Bruce Hunt 478.5
Gerald Schamp 456.0
Roy DeCamara 448.5
Scott Urabe 438.5
John Miller 436.0
Lee Uberbacher 426.0
David Pellerin 414.5
Mike Haverly 250.5
Beginner (Judges: John Miller, Dave Fitzgerald)
Rich Salter 203.5
Bill Ledden 199.5
Allana Perry 146.0
David Miller 23.0
Intermediate (Judges: John Miller, Dave Fitzgerald)
Heman Lee 469.0
Neil Rogers 437.5
Mike Haverly 427.0
Dave Pellerin 414.0
Mike Foley 403.5
Advanced (Judges: Chris Cox, Pat Johnston)
Pete Peterson 508.0
Keith Varley 500.0
Dave Royer 491.0
Phil Juarez 486.5
Mark Micheli 478.5
Bob Smiley 477.5
Will Reeb 474.5
Walter Hicks 473.5
Scott Urabe 468.5
Roy DeCamara 467.5
John Miller 239.0
Expert (Judges: Mike Conners, Steve Helmick)
Paul Walker 580.0
Dave Fitzgerald 568.5
Gordon Delaney 566.5
Brett Buck 564.5
Ted Fancher 561.5
Chris Cox 561.5
Howard Rush 555.0
Jim Aron 543.0
Bruce Perry 542.5
Jack Pitcher 541.0
Pat Johnston 537.0
Dan Rutherford 527.0
Scott Riese 525.5
Phil Granderson 522.0
Randy Powell 517.0
John Leidle 512.0
Bruce Hunt 510.5
Gerald Schamp 508.5
Lee Uberbacher 499.5
Jerry Eichten 484.0
Bruce Hunt
Salem, OR
- Dave
Heman Lee
I checked my list and found my mistake. I somehow left you off of the Classic list. I also left Mike Haverly off the list also. So the good news is that you scored higher than you remembered and you weren't last either!
Sorry about the mixup. This may also mean Dan may not get the results into Stunt News correctly because he was depending on my reporting.
Bruce Hunt
Salem, OR
- Dave
Four Strokes were everywhere. Paul Walker had his new lighter Miss America with a Saito .72 upfront, Gordon Delaney had a four stroke powered Tony that won the Concours Award, Chris Cox brought a new Saturn with four stroke power, Jim Aron had his Saito powered Boogaloo, and Randy Powell had another HIGH ASPECT ratio 4 banger.
Scott Urabe had a couple new models with interesting paint jobs. His Skylark employed his patented rain drop scheme and his Ninja in floresent Pink, Yellow and Green on white was discribed by one person as a killer fishing lure.
Enjoy!
Bruce Hunt
Salem, OR
Lacking confidence in my equipment and ability combination (based on the previous year's expereinces), I entered in the Intermediate event. After the first flight it became apparent from the score that a change was necessary. So after talking to others and Dave Gardner(contest Director) we concluded that competition in the Advanced class would be the appropriate thing to do. I did compete therein and did ok.
Randy Powell deserves great coodoos and high fives for his selfless sacrifice and continued support on my behalf, without which such progress would not be possible or as pleasureable. I am indebted to him in many ways, to numerous to elaborate or divulge and I want everyone to know that he is a great guy from personal experience. Thanks Randy for all you contribute on my behalf and to the sport.
John Miller, who assisted me with a new Excaliber, ( He had one at the contest). We and others tried to ring it out prior to classic competition but an unfortunate engine out while inverted bent the needle valve on a new Rustler 40 and it was John's previous experience of two such events at this contest that he hollered for me to run to the grass and fortunately the needle valve and my pride were the only things that suffered. So the Excaliber will live for another day.
Unfortunately for John, he lost his Excaliber in an unnexpected happening. I did not visually witness the event but I heard the experience. He was performing a vertical eight ( heresay) I heard the motor running then a ping or snap followed almost immediately by the sound of a thump of crushing balsa and then silence. After the appropriate commiseration (sp), the PAMPA safety board gathered around the remains and concluded that the horizontal stab snapped at the heaviest load point in the maneuver. Sorry John. He lost two planes this weekend.
Another intesting event occured with Ted Fancher. Ted, perhaps you can supply the details of the incident or accident. He displayed an ventury intake for one of his powerplants which contained the remains of a bumble bee. The group surrounding that evidence was truly dismayed and we concluded that Ted needs to inquire of the NTSB whether this is an incident or rather an accident because of the death of the bee. More to come later. Ted stated he will further investigate the matter back in Frisco and report back to us. We await your report, Ted.
Ted Fancher flew my Primary Force two times and Brett Buck used his surgical eyes and a heat gun and we removed two warps in the wing of the Primary Force and uncovered some interesting trim problems. On the ground the H stab is in alignment. In the air the inside stab is higher as the fuselage twists. Hmmmm perhaps the take apart feature needs additional attention. There is only one pin in the connection. There should probably be two. This is a learning expereince for me and revealed that competent stunt flying and preparation for advancing to the higher levels is an exercise in mastering the details, solving the problems and putting it all together. I flew the force once after these fixes and it flies better but more needs to be done. This can be a fun experience and I welcome the challenge.
Chris Cox for his upbeat personable approach to life and the the sport and profession of flying. We had a great ride in the Lancair on Saturday around and through the clouds in the Albany area. By the way, he is planning to build an RV6 so he and his wife can fly to the contest like I do in the Lancair. So midwest fellas, watch out you will soon have a strong competitor flying in to take your hardware away from you.
All in all the contest was well run, the weather was varied but nobody got blown out of the air and the rain did not pour on our parade so the weather cooperated nicely.
Let's do it again.
Bob Smiley
A Lancair 360 builder/pilot trying to be a modeler
A couple more pics
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Patrick and Bearcat
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PT with Olympic
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Gordon with Tony
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Bob (did you know I have a Lancair) Smiley with Excalibur
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At least Elvis showed up - Will Rebe with Legacy
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The Combat Fix - Granderson fixes his tailwheel.
Randy Powell
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Wow, more pix while I was typing! Thanks Randy!
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Some of the classic lineup
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Happiness is relative - Saturday morning hanger flying
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Da Dirt holds forth
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You put in HOW MANY PLANES?
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The usual suspects. Alana keeps them in line.
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OK, that's hard enough. It's only an .049 (gotta love the pull test)
That should give a feel for the weekend.
Randy Powell
I would be open to being the District 11 representative. Dan has done a good job of keeping the communication going while recognizing and reporting the activity in our area. I would like to let the rest of the PA community know what a great bunch of PA fliers we have in the the Pacific NW. Reporting on our activity and letting the rest of the world know what fun we have would be a pleasure.
In any case, I'm putting together a video of the NW Regionals for those with $15 to spare. As an added bonus, I managed to grab up all those score sheets nobody wanted and will experiment with putting the judge's scoreing along with the flight as it occurs. Could be interesting. So if you want to see a reverse wing over scored 36 for Dave Fitzgerald as compared to a Paul Walker 33 this is your chance. I even have footage of the Ted Fancher "Death to Bees" flight that ended in the grass inverted.
Bruce Hunt
Salem, OR
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Bob Smiley
a Lancair 360 builder/flyer trying to be a modeler
Friday did cut counting and timing ground time for D-Bat with Bill Ledden (another PAMPA member) from Ridgecrest, CA, where my brother lives.
Saturday, I ran scoresheets for OTS and Classic. Got to stand behind the judges and watch some, and let me give you a hot tip: When John Miller finishes the plans for the Colossus, and if Jim Tischy gives Walter Umland permission to make some kits of it...get in line. It's a very good flier, as proved by Gordon Delaney, who flew one to win Classic.
Sunday I judged Expert with Mike Conner. I think PW's first flight was a test of Zilla's "Halo Effect" theory...I recall the wingover being particularly stinky...for Paul. Ted's first round flight was superb. Gordon and David's corners were too soft to suit me. Gordon's corners were a bit high and the pullouts were not spot on...no hop after the pullout, but not crisp. Brett flew very well, but a bit off here and there. I think Ted said it was Brett's new RO-Jett that made the difference, but the handle wiggling was better than last year, I thought. Howard flew well, but not on top form.
Bruce Perry and Dan Dirt flew their bottoms consistantly too low and lost points for it. The ramp slopes pretty noticeably, and a lot of fliers flew level to the ramp, not level to the Universe. It messed up their level flight, inverted flight, and the horizontal 8's and square 8's the most. It makes flying difficult and is no help to the judges, trust me. A lot of triangles and hourglasses were too wide/flat, wingovers with curved paths (top view), and different radiuses at each end. Scott's first flight started out really well, but somewhere in the middle, the wheels came off (figuratively). Lost concentration, back pain, not enough sleep or something. PTG flew well, but not without problems. I think he needed to bet Howard $2.63 that he'd beat him. Seemed to have fun anyway. What was that engine problem, Phil? The Diva appears to fly very slowly, indicating light weight and lots of power from the piped Magnum .36.
It was great to see Mark Micheli and Scott Urabe from Salinas, and some new faces like Gordon Delaney (Utah), Will Reeb and others from Edmonton, Heman Lee, Walter Hicks, Bill Ledden and Phil Juarez from California, and I see some new names that I didn't get to meet and have no idea where they're from. Next year, I hope. Plan to be there!
Steve, did you notice an extraordinary tendency for low bottoms at that contest? It might have been because the west side of the circle was higher than the center, or maybe some visual illusion. I thought that there was a lot more really low flying than usual.
Was a tough day for sighting bottoms.
And thanks to Steve and Mike for judging.
Randy Powell
I don't recall it being as bad last year at the same site. Tho I don't remember which class used which circle last year, which might have made some difference. This is a difficult situation for the flier, and it drives me nuts when I fly. That may be why I like the Arlington Airport site...flat. Or maybe more fliers were wearing bifocals this year? Yeah, that could be it.
Steve
Given that I had done the old engine switch - RO-Jett->PA61->RO-Jett (with different head shims,prop, and venturi) the night before, and with no practice flights in the configuration I ended up using, I was actually relatively satisfied that I didn't embarrass myself. Compared to last year, I probably did make better stunts, but last year I ended up flying upwind most of my second flight due to random wind shifts!
>Bruce Perry and Dan Dirt flew their bottoms consistantly too
>low and lost points for it.
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> PTG flew well, but not without
>problems. I think he needed to bet Howard $2.63 that he'd
>beat him. Seemed to have fun anyway. What was that engine
>problem, Phil? The Diva appears to fly very slowly,
>indicating light weight and lots of power from the piped
>Magnum .36.
Very unusual, but he just wasn't choking it enough. I would place my bet on "competition nerves" - it sounded dead dry both times, and I pretty well knew it wasn't going to go. Worst problem that one he let it effect him through the flight.
Phil came closer to the ground than *anyone* short of actually hitting it, by a long shot. All the maneuvers in the first round were right in front of the crowd, and it was easy to see from that direction. There was some debate on whether Phil hit his tail wheel on the first flight, but I don't think so. I think this was a function of flying way to the pilot's right of the wind. Having a tail wind at the bottom will tend to do that.
But Howard is right, there were a lot of low bottoms - maybe you had the same optical illusion problem that most others had. Bruce's first flight was real low with a big hops like all his practice flights. But his second flight was spot-on. Dirty Dan was also pretty low, but there were a lot of others. It's hard to see the ground up against the hangers, and seeing how the ground on that side is about a foot or so higher, it's not that hard to see. Once the wind turned around, there wasn't any unusual rash of low bottoms.
Brett
That's not necessarily a function of the take-apart feature. Take a look at most one-piece profiles in flight, and something similar happens. The original Imitation (the one from the must-read 1979 article) probably twisted 20 degrees in hard corners. It flew OK (in fact, great) but I can only imagine that it would have been even more consistent with a more rigid structure.
I might add that it seems to change a lot with cornering. Yours was noticably more twisted on outside corners (almost certainly as the result of the force on the pushrod). I also suspect that it's also bending and thus changing the effective rudder settings.
I haven't seen any really good method to avoid these issues on a profile. A full-fuse airplane is of course a lot better than a profile in this regard, but it's my belief that even full-fuse airplanes benefit a lot from "more than standard" construction techinques.
Brett
SteveBoth of Scott Urabe's models had 4 strokes (Saito 56 and OS .48), as did Walter Hicks' Saito .72 powered Laser 200 "Bud Light". I asked Scott U. about the finish on his Ninja, and it's pearl white, powder from auto paint store mixed into Brodak Clear. Normally, I am not too hot for this type of styling and paint, but I thought it was innovative, original, striking, rather pretty in a way,...awesome! I thought it looked more like an Alien Space Ship than a fishing lure. I know fishing lures...
Steve
Of course, I also like the Tony, the Mustang and the Laser 200 for their "real" look.
IT'S JUST ANOTHER OF THE APPROXIMATELY 37 ANNUAL UNITS PRODUCED BY ROY DECAMARA. EACH AND EVERY ONE A PIECE OF ART. ROY WON THE CONCOURS AT VSC THIS YEAR WITH HIS PEGASUS.
TED
In addition, Gordan won the prized (?) Concours d'Elegance award, for the best appearing airplane, as voted by the pilots, for his Kawasaki KI-61 Tony / Hien / Swallow semi-scale stunter. Even PW flew it about 5 times after the contest, with good reports!
Also, a note of belated thanks to all the volunteer workers who made this event possible; (not in any particular order) John Miller, Scott Riese, John Leidle, Hube Start, Dave Fitzgerald, Chris Cox, Pat Johnston, Mike Connor and Steve Helmick. A lot of the work would not have been possible without the able help of the newly liberated Alice Gardner, doing her usual capable work with setup, tallying, posting, hugging and generally keeping the great unwashed masses in line!
Thanks again to all of you!
Dave Gardner
ED, Stunt Events
NW Regionals
Here you go:
Gordon in flight, er, well, the Tony in flight anyway.
Randy Powell
Once again I am reminded why I choose to put my efforts in this sport. I've never hung out with a bunch of finer people than those in this sport. Even the total lose of my old Excalibur, and damaging the new Legacy couldn't put a damper on the fun for me.
So to all of you, a heart felt thanks.
I'm waiting for someone to report on OTS... You know, the "other" stunt category: the one that doesn't get much coverage. (yes I know who won, but what else happened?)
Floyd
I won. Nothing else of consequence happened in OTS. Sorry.
Dan Rutherford
On the other hand...
It turns out the judges were waiting for someone to do decent overhead 8s, Mike and I being cited by Scott Riese.
Heman Lee was amazing with his 1/2A Flying Clown. (It was an FC, was it not?)
The battle between Mike Conner and Keith Varley was merely a footnote to battles which stretch back over years.
Roy DeCamara showed all of us that we are wusses, nothing but wannabe OTS fliers. His Wildman60, fitted with a big-bang sparker was annoyingly loud. Remember, Roy flies back'ard; so the exhuast port was blatting in our faces, not his.
Jim Aron still has one of the world's coolest Ringmasters.
Your turn. I see where you were active and flying in OTS at the '03 Regionals. Share your experiences and observations.
Did you have a swap-meet table piled high with B-Y&O props? If so, how did I miss it? In fact, how was it that you and I did not meet?
Dan Rutherford
WAY Cool! Thanks, Roy!
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>Did you have a swap-meet table piled high with B-Y&O props?
>If so, how did I miss it? In fact, how was it that you and I
>did not meet?
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>Dan Rutherford
Dan, Even I, lowly worm score runner on Saturday, met Dr. Spark. If you didn't, there must have been some divine plan, Stealth Technology, or some fancy avoidance maneuvers on the part of Dr. Spark. I expected him to be taller.
Steve
The NW Regionals was my first visit to this contest, perhaps because I now live only about 30 miles away.
Old Floyd
There have been several built recently. Unfortunately for me, Dave Marshall and Roy DeCamara have both beaten me with my own design at the same contests!
Floyd
I still have 15 ea. 10 X6 props and 4 ea/ 10 X 5. I would be pleased to send some to you, but now you are into postage, etc...
Floyd
Crass commercialism is an interesting phrase, as I find nothing crass about exchanging units of labor for neato stuff I can use. Regardless, trading and selling is encouraged at the NW Regionals, witness the swap meet and its attendant tables piled high with, uh, model-related offerings.
No problem. The Seattle Skyraiders will stage their annual Stuntathon in about three weeks. OTS, Classic, four classes of PA. Plenty of potential customers, including myself.
Dan Rutherford
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>No problem. The Seattle Skyraiders will stage their annual
>Stuntathon in about three weeks. OTS, Classic, four classes
>of PA. Plenty of potential customers, including myself.
>
>Dan Rutherford
>
For NW Contests and other NW CL activities, see http://www.nwskyraiders.org/events.html I have arbitrarily set the distance limit for posting at 14 hour drive time (for me). http://www.yosemiteflash.com/xiamacl.htm is District 11's website.
Steve
When the mount let loose, the bellcrank took out all of the ribs in the inboard wing to the last rib in the tip. Being that the plane was built from good, light, balsa, the remaining parts mostly turned to dust.
It was a good plane and served me well for hundreds of flights.
I think I'll build another one.
Scott(Build em Break em)Riese