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TigreST · Jun 16, 2003 10:19 PM

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LAST EDITED ON Jun-17-03 AT 12:50 PM (CDT)
 
After nearly 6 years of construction I finally flew one of my own this evening. At approx 19:15hrs the "Super Tucano" took to the air for the first time. Four flights later it is safe and sound in the hangar. Life is good!

Edit #48,(having real trouble getting the picture thing right. Just me though not the board.
Some spec's: 56'span @ approx 610sq/inches. ST-46 in the nose. Prop MA-11x6 Scimitar Profile. 4.5oz tank. Adjustables: Rudder, Tip Tab,Controls push rods, Tip Weight box, L.O. Slider. Weight? Way heavy.( a fair chunk of it is motor but....) Line pull? Tons.

The muffler pictured is the factory ST Econo unit. I had concerns about c.g. so the models nose has been loaded to effect a more forward c.g. First flights indicate that it is very stable in pitch attitude, so the muffle will most likely be gone in the near future in favor of a Big Art/SSW tube unit. Flight testing and trimming to continue.

Side note: With all the time put in on this beast over the last 5-6 years (15 min's at a shot it seemed like) and all the knowledge gained here at SSW and else where, I gotta' admit I had second thoughts about if this thing would work or not. About 1.5 seconds after release it was just like I was a kid again . All the worries were forgotten and I actual enjoyed myself. Sometimes I think to much I guess. It will not be a very competitive model given it's weight, but it's done, it flies, and it's all mine. Thanks for the kind words and the support gents.


Tony

Steve Helmick · Jun 16, 2003 10:26 PM

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WAY cool, Tone! Where's all the pictures? How'd it fly? What power, weight, area, etc? Steve

TigreST · Jun 17, 2003 09:40 PM

Flt Performance.#4 source
Steve,
Tucano flight performance: In all truth I'm still in awe of the fact that it actual worked. But here are some thoughts on flight performance that I almost remember. From first release, to the end of the four flight series I was in a state of "After glow",...I new it felt good, but I could not really remember why, ha ha.

Flt #1: Bill only had to toss it into the air and away it went, even given it's high wing loading. His launch style caught me somewhat off guard. Funny that I've watch him launch for the last five years and never gave it a second thought. He had more faith the the Tucano then me I guess. Anyway, in short order it was pulling my arm from the joint. Pull like this I've not felt in a very long time if ever. This I attribute to both high weight, and the fact that all line tension adjustments were/are near max deflection. I hope I can dial it down some. The rudder was cranked over hard, and the L.O. slider was way back in the wing tip. Tip weight is at 3/4oz's dead weight, plus the hardware of the weight box, and tip trim tab (whatever they may be). Conditions were rather breezy to the point of me thinking...."Maybe this isn't such a good day for a first flight"..... Launch rpm was approx. 9200 on the TNC tach. It seemed to me to be cutting quick lap times and Bill stated it was in the 5.1 range at the front end of the run. Line length is 65' eye to eye (.018's), plus wing span, and handle leader,.. maybe 68 total to fuselage center. At a point I'd call half tank, the engine turned down on the rpm and Bill called it 5.6 to 6 seconds a lap. It was buffeted about quiet a bit with the wind, and yawing a lot with all the preloaded offset trim in place. I could see the trailing edge of the outboard gearleg door. Mostly level flights on this first one, with maybe a loop at the end, trying to keep with my game plan of no risky business until things were proven somewhat. I kept it high on the approach for the first landing. The engine makes a marked rpm increase prior to the flame out, so it tells you when the time is near, approx. 1 lap notice. With flame out there was no tendency to float up, which would indicate tail heavy, something I'd thought would happen. With neutral input it held it's line and pitch attitude very nicely. The landing was a thing of beauty if I do say so myself. Taking a page out of your book Steve,..like a F-100 pilot I came in hot and forced the gear to work through the tall grass. No hint of a nose over and even given the grass it rolled for maybe 12ft or so no trouble. Big smile on my face at this point. (Pix #1 in the opening post was shot after flt#2, that's the grass it landed in.) I timed the tank run and it comes in around 8 min's on approx. 4 oz's of fuel. Having started the clock as I walked to the handle, I kept forgetting to stop it at flame out. Clock said 9.45 after the recovery to the pit area.

Flt:2 Very much the same as #1, but dialed the rpm back to approx 8600. No really change in flight performance, still major pull. Lap times in the 5.5 range. With no trim changes I tell myself,.."I'm just gonna fly the thing and enjoy it a bit before I start in on trim",....it was yawing as before. Bill could see this from outside the circle. Got some more loops in and some sorta wing overs. No engine run change on this one.

Flt:3 Took approx half the rudder offset out and left everything else alone. Looks like tip weight will be needed. The outboard was lifting in some area's. More loops, wing overs and short runs into inverted to test the outside turn. Felt like the inside and outside turns are not the same. Inside good, outside slower/bigger to turn. Landing as noted in #1, again was great. I did put the larger wheels on for "rough field" service,..bumped them from 55mm to 60mm size (largest I've got of this brand). I'd like to think this paid off somewhat. Engine again ran steady here, at a ground set of 8600 at release.

Flt:4 A little braver on this one so the adrenaline was flowing again making for a mind numbing euphoria. I went inverted for complete laps but was in that "after glow" fog so can't relate much other then , "Hey it'll fly upside down, Cool!" Did note the outside turn is not the same or as good as the inside. Engine run again steady. Landing was bang on again.

Wed. night the quest will continue, weather permitting. It's going to take a pile of fuel and time to get this beast to it's best, whatever that turns out to be. I'm hoping to learn a bunch on the way. P.W's trim sheet at the ready here.

Cat, Randy,
Thanks for the comments. It's great to be back!!

Tony

Old Sourdough · Jun 18, 2003 02:54 AM

RE: Flt Performance.#6 source
Tony,

That's a outstanding looking profile!! It may fly very well as you get more familiar with it.

How in the world did you get the gear to roll twelve or more feet through that rough?

You might also remember that, if and when you swap to a lighter muffler, your CG will move aft and line tension will decrease some as well.

Enjoy it.

The Old Sourdough
Ruksakinmakiak, Alaska, US of A

David Hoover · Jun 18, 2003 06:50 PM

RE: Flt Performance.#8 source
So Tone, does this mean you and the Super T will be showing up at the Zone Champs in Toronto August 2 - 3? Just askin'.

Best, Hoovie

Life is simple. Eat. Sleep. Fly.

catdaddy · Jun 17, 2003 01:31 AM

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Tony,
Congrats, Wish I could have seen you fly that beautiful plane.

regards,
Rick "catdaddy" Blankenship

Randy · Jun 17, 2003 10:37 AM

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So Tony, post some more pictures of the completed plane. Sure is pretty.

Randy Powell

GravityWell · Jun 18, 2003 01:07 AM

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No doubt...its a total wow!

“I have never crashed, but I have proven the theory that gravity sucks!”
Glenn Reach
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Jim P · Jun 18, 2003 11:04 AM

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A truly striking profile. One of the best looking around for sure.
I would keep the laps at 5.1 if you can until you get it more shaken out, especially in the breeze.

TigreST · Jun 18, 2003 10:06 PM

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Jim, OS, Grav, Hoovie,

Agree with your lap time target Jim, and must correct my earlier post. Bill tells me tonight that the 5.1 was on the slow end of the scale during the maidens.. it was clocking closer to 4.7, 4.8's during the high speed laps. As noted, my mind was somewhat fogged over during the first session.

O.S.,
I had the tube muffler with me tonight but did not try it. We played with the inboard trim tab and tweaked it down a bit and this seems to have cured the high wing upright/low wing inverted symptom noted during the maiden sorties. Althought this tab is devoid of the "high zoot adjuster"(read clevis and threaded rod gizmo), it is adjustable with a little arm strong tweaking. It was riding high (by degree) after the intial install. One flight later Bill informs it's tracking wings level.

We dialed back the rpm's some on flight #2 tonight, which resulted in a total run time 7.30 min's total for the tank (down from approx 8.00min's). Due to the richer condition, and laps pushing the 6.0 range, not a happy place. It likes the airspeed I think.

Also took more rudder off set out. The outboard gear leg trailing edge is nolonger visable from the handle. Tension was still high, but better then maidens. Did not really look at the turns to much tonight. Must admit that I'm already feeling better about it though.
Same blustery conditions again tonight by the way, so no real heroic's in the mix. Did some loops, invert, horizontal eights, pseudo-wing overs.

Hoovie,
I'll be checking the dates but have my doubts. My wife goes back to work in Aug,..I'll be doing the Mr. Mom thing when that happens. I'd sure like to have a look see if possible. I'll check back with you on the "go" or "no go" status. Also, I here through the I-net grape vine that the "E-Ternal Magnum" is done?.. I guess you'll beat me into the air with yours. I think that's how we met right? ...Magnum builds spanning generations wasn't it?. Great news. Get the pictures shot and get it airborne,...feel the rush ha ha.

Grav,
Thanks you for the kind words.

Tony

catdaddy · Jun 18, 2003 10:17 PM

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>My wife
>goes back to work in Aug,..I'll be doing the Mr. Mom thing
>when that happens. I'd sure like to have a look see if
>possible. I'll check back with you on the "go" or "no go"
>status.
>
>Tony

Well I guess it's pointless to ask you to drive down to Oklahoma in September for our contest Sure would be nice if Elwyn could shoot some in flight photos, not to mention getting to meet you in person.

take care

regards,
Rick "catdaddy" Blankenship

TigreST · Jun 18, 2003 10:25 PM

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LAST EDITED ON Jun-18-03 AT 10:29 PM (CDT)
 
Catman,
I thunk I jus fergot how's ta burn that thar oil in them thar heaters at the oil factory. I gots' ta git them mangy,... er I mean them manager types to send me ta Johnny Zink burner school agin! I'd love to make the trip, but it's near enough to impossible at this point. Lynda has allowed me to get done what's been done in the last 12 months (thank you dear). I only see the time crunch getting somewhat worse, not better. Mr. Bill shot some inflights on Kodak that I hope to see soon. I'll post them when it happens. Thanks for the invite.

Tony

TigreST · Jun 22, 2003 02:11 AM

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LAST EDITED ON Jun-22-03 AT 02:33 AM (CDT)
 


Trying some picture linking stuff here. But as you can see, it no work. Hmm?

Tony

otshodges · Jun 22, 2003 10:22 AM

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WOW!!! That is one beautiful model aircraft.

TigreST · Jun 22, 2003 06:10 PM

The Princess of Stunt.(pic.)#14 source
My daughter Shelby poses with the airplane that carries her name. She's part of the AFB/Aerotec Stunt support group. This one was shot today during our flying session. Still really enjoying the new plane. I did not push the trim issues at all today, just enjoyed the temp, the flying, the friends, and the company of my ground crew person Shelby.

Tony

Tim McTigue · Jun 22, 2003 06:43 PM

RE: The Princess of Stunt.(pic.)#15 source
Tony, you've got two gorgeous princesses there! You can be very proud of both of them. Today really was beautiful, wasn't it. I was out this afternoon as well, and had three good flights with my Ukey/25FP after near-disaster yesterday (read about it in the "Ukey Tribute" thread). Between 2:00 and 3:30, the winds were light, the sky was clear (still is), and the day was fantastic!

Later, as I barbecued hot dogs for supper, and looked out at my lawn, which is finally starting to look like one, and felt the gentle breeze, a feeling of happiness came over me and I reflected that life really is good at the moment. Sure, money is tight, and there are the usual hassles, but I'm sure those will be solved, and in the end, I have managed to create a pretty nice life for myself. Ahh....

Tim

MAAC 65703

TigreST · Jun 22, 2003 07:04 PM

RE: The Princess of Stunt.(pic.)#16 source
Tim,
Roger that. There's been some rough road at this end of the highway of late also. Days like today go a long way toward making up for them.

I worked last night but got up early to be at the field for 11:30. In the air for 11:45. Stiff breeze here.(but there was a dead air spot for the third flight that was just great!!!) Flew till 14:15 (five flights) then got home to take Shelby to my sisters pool by 14:30. Home for 16:45 and a bite to eat. On the road for work again for 17:15.
I've got time off in July and am going to try and come your way and fly with you and Hoovie. Scedules are tight but it might happen. Check you calendar for our Fun Fly dates of July 26, rain day is the 27th. Standing invite to fly with the LCLF cadre any other day that mother nature permits also.

Tony

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Tim McTigue · Jun 22, 2003 07:46 PM

RE: The Princess of Stunt.(pic.)#17 source
Tony,

That'd be great! I'll email you some dates I'll be out of town, and hope you can come by sometime - you'll get a great reception here. I'm on vacation from July 20 to Aug 11, and only out of town part of that time, so if you can make it, I'm sure we'll have a great time.

Tim

MAAC 65703