Stilleto "Classic"

After 40 msg. the Stilleto thread got kind of long.

Why not go back to the roots- everybody fly the model they like the best and give the awards based on the best performance of the type, not the most points overall. i.e. the best Stilleto/Gemini close score would get that trophy, maybe one for best WWII styled plane, best Nobler, Best Classic, and whatever other category the contest management wanted to spring for,......maybe including a top score trophy.

That way everybody could fly what they like against other planes in similar vein, without having to have multiple flight lines or squads of judges.

On first blush, this sounds like having a flight order over 40 to 50 contestants long. For example, I judged the Intermediate Classic line at Brodaks and it was 22 deep. The Advanced line was close to 30. Beginner was not small either. So mixing all of them together would only result in a longer flight order. Because there is no way that doing several flight lines with different judges would provide the comparison you seek. All would have to fly in front of the same judges for a just competition.

A lot of entries is rough on the judges, bless them. But I'd rather see busy, harried judges and 30 flyers than 5 or 6 flyers like in the late 70's. This is just an observation, not a criticism. It is amazing how so much growth is coming back into CLPA and I'm seeing more on team type racing, (Fox Berg, etc). Ya gotta love it.

>A lot of entries is rough on the judges, bless them. But
>I'd rather see busy, harried judges and 30 flyers than 5 or
>6 flyers like in the late 70's.

Well, that's great - if you're not a judge (or pit boss, or tabulator, or ED, etc). In principle. I am glad the event is so healthy, but it's putting a tremendous strain on the few people willing to organize and operate the events. We are becoming victims of our own success.

This is where the real problems are now, much more that other factors like # of pages in SN, BOM, 4-stroke VS. TP, etc.

I agree. At three contests I chose to be the pull tester, score card runner and general gofer. Got to see lots, talk to lots of "names" learned a lot and in general just had fun. I was a Contest Director in the 70's, but got burned out at that.

> This is where the real problems are now, much more that
>other factors like # of pages in SN, BOM, 4-stroke VS. TP,
>etc.
>
>
> Brett

I can settle that last one, once and for all. The Tuned pipe is better. Everyone needs to send all there useless Saitos to my house. I will, however, continue to fly my 4 strokes to maintain the "spirit of the event".

BTW, as far as the whole Stiletto thread, I am sorry I brought it up. The dream is dead. Ignorance is bliss sometimes. That being the case I should be happy all the time....

ferocious:

Are you just looking to assure that everybody who brings an airplane gets a trophy? I think that you are missing the essence of classic/vintage stunt. How long would it be before I could fly my Walker "Impact" in classic according to your formula? Why not just open the classic contest to anything that the flyer wants to enter?

Who would provide the large number of trophies required under your system, and how do you plan for the categories for a local contest where you can't know whether anyone will bring a Nobler?

And, by the way, why don't you get registered on the Stuka Stunt Forum while you are at it instead of hiding behind your anonymous moniker of "ferocious"?

Sunday ferocious will be at the Garden State Circle Burners contest flying Old Time, Classic & Expert PAMPA PA. Thought you might like to know.

...and your point would be...?

There's a registered Ferocious named Phil Cartier. Maybe he isn't hiding, he just isn't logged in..

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"How do you know when it's time to tune your bagpipes?"

>There's a registered Ferocious named Phil Cartier. Maybe he
>isn't hiding, he just isn't logged in..
>

Larry,

Bob Kruger emailed me the info that ferocious is indeed Phil Cartier and that he is having problems with his browser supporting cookies so he cannot log in. I stand corrected...do you still have that tool to remove a foot from one's mouth?

>>There's a registered Ferocious named Phil Cartier. Maybe he
>>isn't hiding, he just isn't logged in..
>>
>
>Larry,
>
>Bob Kruger emailed me the info that ferocious is indeed Phil
>Cartier and that he is having problems with his browser
>supporting cookies so he cannot log in. I stand
>corrected...do you still have that tool to remove a foot
>from one's mouth?

Shoot...I am logged in but cant figure for the life of me how I can ever become a standing registered member for longer than a week or two. I know better than to register again...this caused all my problems before!

You tune your bagpipes when they start to sound mellow!!

>You tune your bagpipes when they start to sound mellow!!
I heard that at one time GB declared bag pipes to be "an instrument of war"

or maybe that's just an urban myth

True and then the Scots called them "war pipes". The Brits outlawed them and the highland dances too. And the end result is, ta da. Scree oorahscree!! I have seven pipe albums and I'm on my second learners chanter. There is Scottish blood in my veins on my dear old mums side.

'just spent last Saturday at Ohio Scottish Games in Oberlin, where Gusti opens the games with the anthems and Flower of Scotland, followed later by a short program. Everything was great until a pipe band came screaming by the performance tent and (almost) drowned out her Scottish lament. She let them live.

SK

I just want to fly the planes and have fun, so why not just let people fly? The judges generally do a good job, so I would have no problem if I was flying my Smoothie on one circle and somebody else got a higher score and the trophy flying on another circle. It's all for fun anyway.

The idea is not to give everybody a trophy, but to award some recognition for different folks without going to all the trouble of setting up a separate class and running a separate circle and set of judges just so 6 guys can fly their renditions of a Gemini(or whatever). For example, at Brodak's you might have 8 or 10 WW II style planes, 15 Noblers, a dozen Orientals, etc. It wouldn't take any more flights or circles to group the various planes together on a circle. I don't see much problem with flying Int. Adv. and Experts all flying Noblers, or something, together. Would probably help everybody learn to do better.

>It's all for fun anyway.

Is it?

Let's be real for a minute. There is definately a competition aspect to stunt. A very strong one, and it is not always friendly. As far as I can tell, there always has been and there always will. When it comes to the rules. People will protect themselves when they feel their competitive advantage is threatened just LIKE ANY OTHER SPORT.

People have been talking about rules changes in sports since sports began. Sometimes people want effect the rules for the good of the game, sometimes they want to do it for their own selfish reasons, but that is the reality of a SPORT not a HOBBY.

I just we had the guts to admit it.

There are people who push the "fun" aspect of the sport, like the atmosphere that surrounds the Brodak contest. You won't see a bunch of kids running around making $1.50 tape together stunt ships at the Nationals. It is very serious business to most.

Me, I play golf with Steve and John on Monday. I think I had as much fun last year watching Doug, Steve, Jake, and Banjock flying gliders in the evening air than I did flying. I am trying to have more fun though...

>>It's all for fun anyway.
>
>Is it?
>
>
>Me, I play golf with Steve and John on Monday. I think I
>had as much fun last year watching Doug, Steve, Jake, and
>Banjock flying gliders in the evening air than I did flying.
> I am trying to have more fun though...

Im bringing my Glider!