Andrews Nat's Winner

It seems that Lou Andrews won the Nationals in 1951, using a Barnstormer. Last night I came across a photo of the plane, and it was WAY better looking than the kit model!

This one has cheek cowls, a side mounted engine and wheel pants. The photo is approximately a top view, and was in an AeroGloss advert. in June '52 MAN, page 47.

Does anyone have better photos of the plane, especially close-ups, side views, etc?

I have been thinking of doing a Leprechaun Barnstormer, and this would be a WOW version to do.

Who knew a Barnstormer could be beautiful?

Larry

I have a kit of the Baby Barnstormer. If your interested, I can copy the plans for you. Larry

Thanks, but I not only have the plans, but a set of part drawings all scanned in as TIF files. I am slowly converting to CAD, but the plane is too small for any modern engine except possibly the PAW 55 or a C*x rtf engine with a low pitch prop.

If you look at the plans, the Wasp .049 engine shown looks HUGE. And that is a tiny engine. The plane has about the same area as the 1/2A Snapper, and that flies well with a Tee Dee .020.

I planned to scale the big one down to about 250 sq.in. and power with a .061. Scaling the big size down seems to work better than the small ones up, as they come out sleeker and with lighter structure.

I will see about scanning that ad in and posting it, though I will need re-training on how to post images

Larry

You could call this a Barnstromer+. He won the 1949&1950 Nats
with the kit version, along with a senior named Buzz winning
those years also. There are some people back East who have been researching or trying to, the plane in the picture for a couple of
years. I agree a nice looking airplane.

Walter:+

For those of us that don't have that particular article in our archives, would you please post a pic? I am interested as well. Thanks.

I expect that any issue of MAN from that year would have the photo, as it is in the advertisement for AeroGloss. I was hoping someone had an issue covering the '51 Nats and some better photos.

Larry

O.K., here's my Trixter Barnstormer, Fox .35 stunt with 10/5 Top Flite.

CHECK IT OUT:
http://home.cogeco.ca/~controlline/durrill1.shtml

>It seems that Lou Andrews won the Nationals in 1951, using a
>Barnstormer. Last night I came across a photo of the plane,
>and it was WAY better looking than the kit model!
>
>This one has cheek cowls, a side mounted engine and wheel
>pants. The photo is approximately a top view, and was in an
>AeroGloss advert. in June '52 MAN, page 47.
>
>Does anyone have better photos of the plane, especially
>close-ups, side views, etc?
>
>I have been thinking of doing a Leprechaun Barnstormer, and
>this would be a WOW version to do.
>
>Who knew a Barnstormer could be beautiful?
>
>Larry

HI LARRY,

NOT LOOKING TO MAKE A SALES PITCH HERE BUT PLEASE CHECK OUT MY WEBSITE,
I REPRODUCE THE BARNSTORMER KITS, WITH ONLY SOME MINOR CHANGES THAT ARE ALLOWABLE BY AMA RULES I HAVE BEEN WORKING TOWARDS GETTING THE KIT AS CLOSE TO THE ORIGINAL AS POSSIBLE, AND I DO HAVE AN ORIGINAL OF THE TRIXSTER AS WELL AS THE MARK II(WHICH WILL COME SOON, BUT KEEP THAT A SECRET)

http://www.builtrightflyright.net/New_Kit_Prototypes.htm

NO Barnstormer should look that good. They should be rough, brush painted, ordinary colors, and plain jane looking. I do love that deep red/burgundy color.
That Barnstormer looks good enough for appearance points. Too bad they aren't used in OTS.

LAST EDITED ON Aug-14-03 AT 12:04 PM (CDT)
 
I have dug through my MAN collection and in the October 1951 issue on the Dallas Nats, page 17, upper right is a photo of the Barnstormer mentioned. "Open,Senior stunt winners, Andrews, Ferguson, flew Barnstormer". It had wheel pants, engine is side mounted with cheek cowls and has a spinner and the rudder looks to be more rounded at the top than a standard Barnstormer rudder.

I wonder what engine is in the side mounted version of the BS?? I'll bet if it was a Fox .35, it was the last time he used it that way

Any chance of scanning in the photo and publishing it or at least sending me a JPEG?

Pleeeeeeze?

Yeah, right. When I learn how. I'd rather just xerox the thing and send copied via USPS.

Here are the pictures from the October 1951 and June 1952 MAN.

Always enjoy looking through those old magazines. Found some really good information in the October 1951 MAN that would be of interest to those that fly Old Time Stunt. There is a good article on testing the Testors "Senior 29" and an article by Harry Williamson on his version of a "Ringmaster". Full Fuselage with D tube construction. The article mentions that there were "big Sixty" size versions built. Now there would be a good Old Time project.

Outstanding!

Thanks.

It sure looks better in the AeroGloss ad than the Nats photo, but I guess those LOOOOONG landing gear were designed for long grass flying.

Still, a cool modification.

Larry:-)

That's the photo I was talking about. The one from Aero Gloss is much better, as the one about the Nats is faded in my magazine too.
Notice that the engine head is sticking out on the left side. The original Barnstormer was a clockwise flyer and the Guillows kit is shown that way too. Builditright kits are shown for counter clockwise. Anti clockwise for those who speak English. This would make a nice change of pace for all those Barnstormers out there. Too late for my two under construction. By the by, I have found that the GRW OTS 350 fuel tank will fit the Barnstormer just right. Cut a notch on the inboard side and it slides right in. Of course you must cut away part of former #1 above the mounts.

I have built a 60% Trixter Barnstormer (Hutstormer) for a TeeDee 049 (later changed to PAW 80). It flies well but is still too small. 60% is easy because of the original wood sizes: 5/16" becomes 3/16, 5/32 becomes 3/32, etc. I can post a picture if anyone is interested.

>I have built a 60% Trixter Barnstormer (Hutstormer) for a
>TeeDee 049 (later changed to PAW 80). It flies well but is
>still too small. 60% is easy because of the original wood
>sizes: 5/16" becomes 3/16, 5/32 becomes 3/32, etc.

I can post a picture if anyone is interested.

please do, I am interested to see it

Walt,
I have a photo of an old Barnstormer I took at the '53 Plymouth NATS in Detroit. I wrote the following on the back, in 1953.
"Buzz Ferguson, Second Barnstormer ever built" (I am not sure this is true, but someone told me that at the meet).
Color was Orange with Black and White trim, if my memory serves me correctly.
Tried to post it, no luck. Sending same to you via e-mail.
If you could post it, I would appreciate it.
Thanks,
Roger V.

>Walt,
>I have a photo of an old Barnstormer I took at the '53
>Plymouth NATS in Detroit. I wrote the following on the back,
>in 1953.
>"Buzz Ferguson, Second Barnstormer ever built" (I am not
>sure this is true, but someone told me that at the meet).
>Color was Orange with Black and White trim, if my memory
>serves me correctly.
>Tried to post it, no luck. Sending same to you via e-mail.
>If you could post it, I would appreciate it.
>Thanks,
>Roger V.

Thanks Roger here it is

I once "heard" that the round tips on the stab/elevator on the Barnstormer were from the bottom of a coffee can!! Simple but effective!! Real designers don need no stinkin french curves.

>I once "heard" that the round tips on the stab/elevator on
>the Barnstormer were from the bottom of a coffee can!!
>Simple but effective!! Real designers don need no stinkin
>french curves.

LOL ! good one Ty,
well, since I don't drink coffee I guess I'll never be a designer real or otherwise.

Here are the pictures Walter, after some delay. The moral is, 'Don't promise something when you don't know where it is.' The model was way too fast with both the TeeDee and the PAW. If someone wants to try I suggest 75% rather than 60%.

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Hey Dave they look good

thanks for posting them,

maybe I can snag them for my website? ok?

OK Walt. The original pictures have much better colour density, but my scanner doesn't seem to like orange.

The Hutstormer is superb. Great job!

I suspect that if you use an APC 6x2 prop, and 45 foot lines, you can get it tamed. What bellcrank size and handle spacing are you using on it? What is the weight, and what is the wing area of a 60% Barnstormer?

It's amazing how a very simple but well done paint shcheme can be so pretty. I love the see through coveering. Silk?

Ty,
They are both tissue. I used lightweight on the Hutstormer and regretted it. It's in a bad state and needs recovering. The full size one was lost to a broken leadout back in '93 and has since been replaced.
Designman,
I used a Cox 6x3 prop and 42 foot lines. The bellcrank is an exact 60% reduction with 2.5" handle spacing (it took a long time to get the handle right). Weight is 7 ounces. Can't figure the area but it's 36% of the full size. Why not register?

I am registered, but I had 3 different registries.

Look under DesignMan, as I worked with Leonard to get it all sorted out.

My profile, e-address, and all are now updated.

Larry

Sorry Larry.

>Ty,
>They are both tissue. I used lightweight on the Hutstormer
>and regretted it. It's in a bad state and needs recovering.
>The full size one was lost to a broken leadout back in '93
>and has since been replaced.
>Designman,
>I used a Cox 6x3 prop and 42 foot lines. The bellcrank is an
>exact 60% reduction with 2.5" handle spacing (it took a long
>time to get the handle right). Weight is 7 ounces. Can't
>figure the area but it's 36% of the full size. Why not
>register?

Ty and Larry, If the Barnstormer has 470sq"s, then the Hutstormer
has 169sq"s. My Ringmaster Jr. has 195 sq"s; weighs 7.2ozs,and is
flown on 45'x.008"(stranded) lines. It's powered by a Paw .049sbr,
6x4 prop...It could use another 30-40 sq"s.. Tony