Watched one of those strange episodes of flutter put one into the turf today. The plane was a scratch built Chief with a Fox 35 flying a good 4-2-4 in a 5-8 MPH wind. The flutter started around 3 1/2 minutes into the flight and one of the flyers said it only fluttered on the upwind side of the circle. When it went by the elevator and flaps were shakin' to beat the band. The plane had quite a few flights on it and I don't recall it exibiting anything like this before. Four or five laps after the flutter started something let go and the plane went straight in from about 5 feet like you had crammed it on full down. Lots of pieces but amazingly the prop didn't break. Is flutter one of those freak things that happen or is there some things that can be done to avoid it?
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Watched one of those strange episodes of flutter put one into the turf today. The plane was a scratch built Chief with a Fox 35 flying a good 4-2-4 in a 5-8 MPH wind. The flutter started around 3 1/2 minutes into the flight and one of the flyers said it only fluttered on the upwind side of the circle. When it went by the elevator and flaps were shakin' to beat the band. The plane had quite a few flights on it and I don't recall it exibiting anything like this before. Four or five laps after the flutter started something let go and the plane went straight in from about 5 feet like you had crammed it on full down. Lots of pieces but amazingly the prop didn't break. Is flutter one of those freak things that happen or is there some things that can be done to avoid it?
Al
Leonard Neumann
Steve Helmick · Aug 23, 2003 07:55 PM
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SteveBrett Buck · Aug 23, 2003 09:08 PM
#5 source>mass forward. This applies to wing, tail, and control
>surfaces. Torsional stiffness is important, as is the
>stiffness of the control system, as already pointed out. Be
>sure your pushrod can't travel up/down in the bellcrank, L/R
>in the flap horn and elevator horn. Some folks leave off the
>bearings at the flap horns (tubes, springs or straps glued
>to the TE), allowing some fore-aft at the middle as control
>is applied. This is tough on the hinges, and could lead to
>failure. An autopsy would be interesting. Please report on
>the results if one can be arranged. This is a pretty rare
>thing in stunters.
Steve I have seen flutter problems a few times on stunt planes, but it always turned out to be the result of something being broken. For instance, I had a flutter in the stab of an airplane, and I fought it all sorts of ways. But it turned out that the stab had broken in the middle and the only thing holding it together was the fuselage sides.
This case seems pretty clearly related to something being broken, causing it ti flutter, and then later broke all the way. I think Leonard's guess was pretty likely - one hinge broke or pulled loose, the surface fluttered, leading to the others breaking or coming loose, and on the way out, gave it full down.
Brett
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John O. Wright
Bob Beasley · Aug 25, 2003 03:29 PM
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Bob Beasley
Very sorry to hear about the Chief. It was looking good again after the rebuild and the new graphics. What kind of handle were you using?
Probably didn't have anything to do with the flutter, but ask Mitch how fast a plane will nose in if everything isn't tight on your handle.
regards,
Rick "catdaddy" Blankenship
Peter Garrison wrote a (typically) fine article for AIR&SPACE on the issue of flutter. He titled it 'The Hammer' to attempt to convey what flutter can do to an airframe.
There is a copy of the piece online at the A&S website:
http://www.AirAndSpaceMagazine.com/ASM/Mag/Index/2001/FM/Hamm.html
And if you follow the links you will find our 'flutter lab', a collection of quicktime movies showing some spectacular examples of flutter in action.
http://www.AirAndSpaceMagazine.com/asm/mag/supp/FM01/hammer.html
Cy
Kilroy has left the building.