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bhadley0 · Sep 26, 2003 07:38 PM

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After reading the latest forum on sprayer options I decided to buy the Harbor Freight 6.5 gal, 2 hp compressor and the touch-up gun which arrived today. Having never used a spray system before, I would like some help. The gun states a maximum pressure of 50 psi. What is the best way to regulate the pressure? I have adjusted the pressure screw on the compressor way out and it still pumps to over 80 psi. Do I need a seperate regulator (and filter) to maintain lower pressures or should I keep trying to lower the pressure at the tank? Also I have 50 ft of hose. What kind of presuure loss should I expect at the gun?
Can someone give me some general setup and use hints on the system?
Thanks in advance!
Brian

Tools · Sep 26, 2003 10:02 PM

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Hey Brian,

First you need to know what the pressure guage you are looking at is reading. Is it installed in the tubing between the pump and the regulator, or after the regulator. Usually, they should measure the regulated pressure, but stranger things have happened.

If it is indeed reading the regulated pressure, and running the knob almost all the way out and it's not changing, something is wrong. I've had several defective imported regulators right out of the box. You may just have to return for a replacement, or try to fix the regulator yourself. If your generally handy and mechanical, just take it apart and figure out how it works, the defective part should be obvious. If it's a ruptured diaphram, send it back. I've seen the little washer that the regulator handle screw sets on inside the regulator break apart. Fabricating a replacement is very easy. Sometimes the rubber washer at the valve seat is screwed up in some way, again a very easy inshop fix.

The pressure drop on a 50' hose is negligible for painting model airplane purposes. It won't be long and you'll be setting the pressure based on how things are going, it's really not a set a particular figure kind of thing. The pressure guage really only helps in remembering where the regulator was set and getting it there again quickly. Like after you crank it all the way up so it doesn't take 10 min to air up the car tire.

A cheap and easy way to get the hang of spraying is to just run mineral spirits or something through it and spray it on some cardboard. You can play with different pressure, the nozzle adjustments, the little adjustment on the spraygun handle, all that stuff. On cardboard it's easy to see where you are spraying.

But first get the hang of the compressor and get it to adjust to different pressures. Get a little air nozzle, you'll easily be able to tell if the regulator is changing the pressure. Also, some regulators don't register a different pressure just by screwing the screw in and out, you have to have some air flowing to see the pressure guage move with the screw moving. You'll also be able to see what kind of pressure you can maintain "trigger down" so to speak. Play that same game with the sprayer.

Hope this helps some, feel free to ask away if I havn't explained something well enough, I tend to be a bit wordy at times...

Tools

Mike

Gary Weaver · Sep 26, 2003 11:06 PM

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I saw a post a few weeks ago about a $100.00 paint sprayer with a 2 HP motor and a 10 gallon tank. I assume this is the type of paint sprayer that someone would use to paint a car or truck. Seems like over kill to me for painting a model airplane. The paint sprayer holds a pint of paint. Seems like it would take less than a coffee cup of paint to paint an airplane. Sure would be fast too. You could paint the entire airplane in 60 seconds and then spend the next 30 minutes cleaning up. Seems like the elevator hinges would get all gummed up with paint and wouldn't go up and down. Everything would be covered with paint unless you taped it off. I have one of these paint sprayers it took me about 30 minutes to paint my truck with 3 coats of paint. It took 2 days to tape it off first. Is this what your using to paint airplanes. By the way put a regulator in the airline to regulate the air PSI to the paint sprayer.

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Gary Weaver

Ty Marcucci · Sep 27, 2003 07:51 PM

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Well, Gary, it's obvious you have not painted a large stunt plane.

Bob Reeves · Sep 27, 2003 06:00 AM

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I think the gauge you are looking at is the Tank pressure, not sure what that screw is you are turning, probably some adjustment in the auto cut off switch. Screw it back where it was originally, regulators have knobs not screws.

You should have 90 to 120 PSI in the tank when the compressor cuts off and you will need an external regulator and filter between the air compressor outlet and your spray gun.

Use the external regulator to set the pressure to the gun and start with about 20 PSI

captcurt · Sep 27, 2003 07:37 AM

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Hi Brian:

You do need an external line regulator and filter for your setup. HF has those but any sears, canadian tire, tractor supply, etc can probably fix you up also. It is best to mount the filter/drier some distance from the compressor so the hot air from the compressor cools and condenses out any moisture. I split my 50' hose to 25' and mount the filter/reg at the 25' point.

As Bob said, adjust the compressor cut-off for 90 to 125 depending on the mfg recommendation.

There is some drop in the hose maybe aa much as 3-5 lbs depending upon the diameter and flow required. I'd start at about 20-25 psi set with the trigger pulled and air only flowing. Thin dope to 50-50 or even 60% thinner to start.

Atomized mineral spirits is VERY flamable so be careful.

Never mind the naysayers, your set-up will produce a world class finish once you get the hang of it.

When seting up the gun, get paint in it and everything hooked up. You can start with a piece of brown cardboard--then switch to some white foam-core art board to guage the smoothness and weight of material better. I like to use grey for trials because you can see what you're doing.

Turn both screws all the way in on the gun. the rear one should be the paint control. The seccond one is the air control--changes the fan shape of the pattern. now open the fan control (air) maybe a half turn. with the gun held perpendicular to the surface being sprayed, and 6-8 inches away, pull the trigger. Now, with the trigger down, crack open the paint control--in a second or two, you will notice paint being put on the test surface. The pattern should be a round spot or maybe elliptical. Adjust the paint control first--you should be able to set it so it will put on a semi-transparent layer of material as you move your hand across the area about the speed you would use to pet your dog or flow on paint from a foam brush. Now adjust the fan control for the size pattern you need. With a small gun, this might be a 2 or three inches high be an inch wide. You can turn the spray nozzel cap to oriient the pattern any way you like--most painting is done with the pattern vertical--nozzle horizontal. Feel free to move this around while you paint.

Also, as the pattern gets larger with the air control, you will need to open the paint control to get more material over the larger area.

IF you spray a stationary spot for about one second, there should be no globs or runs--if there are, too much paint.

When spryiong, remember to keep the gun a fixed distance from and always perpendicualr to the surface at all times, Steady speed is also important. Try to view the surface from an angle as you spray so as to judge the material thickness being applied. To little or too fast a hand speed and the finish will have a dusty chalkboard-type surface. Too much paint or too slow a movement will result in a "wet" area and maaay run or orange peel.

A lttile retarder applied to dope and lacquer finishes will assist in allowing the paint to "flow out" prior to flashing off or drying.

Remember to wear a respirator--tight fitting with appropriate chemical cannisters on it. Invest in a good one--go to your local automotive paint dealer and ask. Wilson, Morton, 3M, etc.

And remember also that atomized materials and solvents air very flash flammable.

I could be more specific with the controls if you send along the model number of the gun.

ALso, look up Godzilla's treatise on painting with automotive paints for a reference to the HF filter/Regulators.

Hope this helps.

PS: for cleaning, first empty any remaining paint from the pot and rinse the cup with cleaning solvent. Get the cheap lacquer thinner from the hardware store for cleaning. Add a little solllllvent to the cup and spray onto a rag or paper to clear the gun. Do a couple of iterations of this till the solvent comes out clear. Then, loosen the nozzle cap a couple of turns and remove the paint cup. Hold a rag tightly over the air outlets, depress the trigger and it will back blow out the pickup tube. Careful of where it goes!

Finally, remove the nozzle, and aircap and clean with a brush. Flush the gun parts until no sign os the old material are visible. this should take no more than 5 or ten minutes after the first couple of times

This is usually sufficient if applying colors next--if you go to clear, then you need to carefully disassemble the gun aad clean everything.

PS2: Remember that compressed air can kill you if it enters the blood stream. Be carefull where the gun is pointed when cleaning, etc.

Have fun--dont paint a plane till you,re comfortable with the foam board or an old car door.

Regards

Curt

Randy · Sep 28, 2003 12:21 AM

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Curt,

All good advice.

Brian,

If you use anything other than dope, be sure to follow the manufacturers recommendations on mixing and such. If it says mix 2 to 1, it usually means by volume (though I admit that I often use a scale)

Randy Powell

captcurt · Sep 30, 2003 11:29 AM

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So Brian...

Follow-up? How is the spraying going?

Curt

bhadley0 · Sep 30, 2003 10:41 PM

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>So Brian...
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>Follow-up? How is the spraying going?
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>Curt

Curt,
I think I have the regulator figured out. The Magnum is all sanded and ready for paint this weekend if the weather holds. I'll let you know how it goes. Really some great info and help from you all- This IS a great forum!
Thanks again
Brian