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Bob Reeves · Oct 07, 2003 05:25 PM

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OK not model airplanes but I could use some help and opinions from those that really live up north in the cold country.. I have to go to Vail Colorado the week before Thanksgiving to put a photo system on the top of a mountain in 10+ feet of snow. Now please realize I am 6 foot tall, weigh 145 pounds and have no built in insulation. I have also never understood why anyone would want to go someplace where it was cold and snowing on purpose

The customer is supplying a Snow Cat so we can get up the mountain but I have no idea what I need to buy in the way of cloths so I can keep from freezing to death. Oklahoma winters are not that bad and I usually find ways to not be outside when it is below freezing, (to me freezing is more like anything below 50) so I basically have nothing in the way of cold weather gear.

Also with the recent purchase of our property I expect I will find myself outside plowing snow off the 90 foot driveway or having to fix something when it is really cold out. It would be nice if whatever I get for the Vail job could be used to keep me warm while working outside here at home.

Any suggestions or places to start shopping??

TIA
Bob

GravityWell · Oct 07, 2003 05:44 PM

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Go to a snowmobile sales place and buy a good snow suite from them. They will be able to help you the best....make sure its windproof. The wind is the worst.

“I have never crashed, but I have proven the theory that gravity sucks!”
Glenn Reach

David J · Oct 07, 2003 05:51 PM

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Try www.HerringtonCatalog.com
Click on winter clothes.
Kinda pricey but good stuff.

Ben Woolslayer · Oct 07, 2003 06:40 PM

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Go to Sun and Ski sports, they have the best and warmest stuff.. and they have sizes to fit me so im sure they will fit you.. BEN

cgryphon · Oct 07, 2003 06:55 PM

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Bob,

Think LAYERS of clothes. A good thin polypro long underwear, jeans and a flannel shirt, sweater, light to mid weight down jacket, insulated Gore-Tex pants/bibs (overalls), and a un-insulated Gore-Tex jacket on top. Get a jacket that covers your butt. Head gear is real important as up to 40% of your bodies heat loss is through your head. Check out something called “Balaclavas” (no not the Greek pastry, that’s Baclava). Of course good gloves are very important also. You can get layered/Gore-tex shell ones of those too. Feet are the same, a couple of layers of good socks under the boots. Don’t get your feet, or anything else too tight. It’s the air you trap that acts as an insulator to keep you warm, so tight is not the way to go. If you think layers, you probably have some of the stuff you need already. Gore-tex is not necessary, but it is wind and waterproof. You’ll end up with a great rain coat out of the deal if you get an un-insulated version.

The idea with layers is that you can add and remove as necessary. While it may be cold in Vail, the sun is sure to shine, and you would be surprised how hot you may feel, especially if you are working. Peel off layers and add back as necessary. Don’t end up having to choose between sweating and freezing, or you are sure to do both. Good sunglasses, sun screen and lip stuff will also be welcome. Keep in mind that you may be working at 10,000 feet and the altitude will take a toll. Try to get there a day or so early to help acclimate. Even hanging around in Denver will help. Common symptoms are headache, dizziness, and you may feel your rings and watch are tight, from swelling up a bit. Drink lots and lots of water, it’s very dry there.

Try <www.sierratradingpost.com> for good gear at a great price. Great company to deal with.

Get ready for some of the most fabulous scenery you have ever seen, including landscape, flora, and fauna (especially the human kind!)

Clay (finally somebody asks a question I know something about) Griffin

Heavy Stunt · Oct 07, 2003 07:03 PM

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Bob,

Having lived in Alaska I can recommend a good pair of insulated boots as your best cold weather investment. I like Pak boots, the ones with rubber bottoms and leather uppers that have felt liners. With a good pair of Wool socks these keep your feet nice and toasty. Half the battle is won.

During winter indoctrination in the Army, they taught the accronym: COLD as the key to staying warm in a cold environment. It stands for C for Clean, O for avoid Overheating, L for loose and in layers, and D for Dry.

Bruce Hunt
Salem, OR

CLiner · Oct 07, 2003 09:48 PM

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Bob,
Dont forget to get hat/cap/head protection that keeps your ears covered. Ear muffs are also a good item to have if the cap doesnot provide ear protection.
Roger

Tools · Oct 07, 2003 09:53 PM

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Layers, wool and high tech polyester.

Goto sierraTradingpost.com and look at the discounted polartec 200 fleece they sell. Super lightweight, REALLY warm, layerable. Also have lighter weight stuff to layer under that.

This stuff doesn't get all wet as you sweat, really makes a difference. I grew up layering up in cotton, sweating in it, then freezing to death in it. Uh, in Nebraska, where it was REALLY COLD.

Trivia, it doesn't snow in NE, it snows in CO or IA and then BLOWS into the state.

Have fun! I used to put up TV antennas during the winter in NE as a kid, boy how I loved doing that...

Tools

Mike

Tools · Oct 07, 2003 09:58 PM

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Oh ya,

Bob's right about the feet thing. Now, the hands. Don't even bother finding gloves to keep your fingers warm. Get some really lightweight gloves to keep the wind and snow off them. Then make sure you have a really nice pair of mittens (that'll fit over the gloves) that you can take on and off as necessary. Next, your wrists will freeze. Before donning the gloves, take an old long tube sock with holes in the bottoms. Stick your fingers through the holes (don't need one hole/finger) and pull them up to your elbows, that'll help tons.

Tools

Mike

Steven Yampolsky · Oct 07, 2003 09:57 PM

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Layers, and lots of them.

Steven Yampolsky

greatcircle · Oct 07, 2003 10:47 PM

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LAST EDITED ON Oct-07-03 AT 11:20 PM (CDT)
 
I have to go to Vail Colorado the week before
>Thanksgiving to put a photo system on the top of a mountain
>in 10+ feet of snow. Now please realize I am 6 foot tall,
>weigh 145 pounds and have no built in insulation. I have
>also never understood why anyone would want to go someplace
>where it was cold and snowing on purpose

BECAUSE we're SNOW kind of people--we like to fall down in the snow, If you must know!~

Don't forget--Layers (not the chickens) First layer, silk or thin polypro underwear. REI, New Zealand Traders(I got mine there, and their prices are less than stateside)Eddie Bauer or Cabela's. The same for the feet. thin polypro base, if you can get away with them. I can't-- my feet don't like them, so I make do with a heavy wool or wool blend outer sock. Boots: Good waterprof insulated ones! 600 grams of Thinsulate is a good starting place. I tried to get by with a 200 gram pair, for a couple of winters' camping, but it didn't work.(MISERY!) and numb feet. I also wasn't aware my feet are a borderline 14, so they were tight, and two pair of socks in my 13s cut the circulation something fierce. Now, I have a pair of 15s in my closet.
Pacs are good: They are waterproof. If you get a pair that are not waterproof, two plastic bread bags fit over your socks will do the job. Look for at least a -25 degree rating. Get whatever boots you choose at least one size larger than your regular shoe size, to allow for the socks. TRY before you choose,with two pair of socks, and break them in before use.
Over the polypro, medium weight dual layer underwear like Duofold, or medium weight Wool/Polypro. A zipper neck helps to eliminate heat. I got mine at Cabela's. AVIOD the all-cotton waffle weave underwear, It will not transfer moisture will quickly become sodden, and make you cold. They make good pajamas, tho.

Gloves: How dexterous do you need to be? Silk or thin synthetic under all, Wool no finger gloves or pile over that, and a pair of insulated, waterproof mittens (they are warmer)over them all. Have some handwarmers handy, because likely, the thin gloves won't cut it at low temps.

Over that: A turtleneck shirt. Cabela's , Land's End, Eddie Bauer, REI, Ski shops, Sweater over that, I have a Woolly Pully form Brigade Quartermasters, then a good insulated jacket over that.(Down is not necessary, but nice.) Pants: Insulated bibs are good, but windproof pants are O.K., too, depending upon wind, etc. One-piece snowmobile suits are warm, but somewhat inconvenient. Some stores will sell less expensive versions, which will not last as long, but will probably do just fine for your one expedition, followed by snow duty. Beware of Gore-tex and high exertion: you can overburden the moisture transfer capabilities of the fabric, and you can become as wet inside as if the jacket were not water proof.(Guess how I know this!)

Some of the heat packs available are nice: put them in your boot tops, and glove wrists, where the arteries are closest to the surface.A couple near your kidneys can help stave off the chills, and they make great handwarmers.

To repeat: take plenty of liquid: cold will dehydrate you faster than a desert environment. Move SLOWLY! if you sweat, you wet your insulation layers, and you will become chilled. Take something high-energy with you, granola bars or the like, and eat to keep your body heat at a proper level.

Insulate your head--a warm brain is a happy brain, and will keep you from making a potentially fatal mistake. An insulated synthetic watch cap or Balclava, or one of the waterproof, "Mad Bomber" style hats look funny, but are really warm. Protect your ears. they can get frozen in a big hurry.

You may experience arctic cold, but you would be surprised how warm the mountains can be, even at 10,000 feet, with 10 ft of snow, if the weather is good. Sunglasses are almost a must. The weather can that can change in a real hurry, so be prepared.

I hope this has helped a bit. Take a camera,cover the metal with some sort of tape, and don't stick your tongue on a metal flagpole, or anything else.

Carl

De · Oct 07, 2003 11:29 PM

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Bob,

How are you going to get any work done with all those clothes on?

De Hill

Randy · Oct 07, 2003 11:47 PM

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Bob,

Easiest is to just go to an outdoor shop and buy outdoor snow gear. Around here we have REI. Best place around for getting cold weather gear.

http://www.rei.com/

Randy Powell

Old Sourdough · Oct 08, 2003 04:14 AM

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LAST EDITED ON Oct-08-03 AT 04:14 AM (CDT)
 
Aw, Heck. Much ado about nothing!! When I'm chopping that cord of wood, I usually wear jeans and a tee shirt. The key is to work hard to keep the body temperature up thereby eliminating the need for all those expensive clothes!

The Old Sourdough
Ruksakinmakiak, Alaska, US of A

gcb · Oct 08, 2003 06:59 AM

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And when you DO start to overheat, the fastest way to cool down is to remove your hat. I've read figures that as much as 70% of your heat loss is from your head...perhaps higher for those of us with little or no hair.

George

Bob Reeves · Oct 08, 2003 10:28 AM

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Boy, you guys are great.. Thanks for the info, now to do some shopping.

One item I already have thanks to my dear departed Mom is a Russian Cossack hat, great for keeping the ears warm even if I do look like Elmer Fudd.

Mel · Oct 08, 2003 01:05 PM

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Hello Bob,

Your first consideration should be whether you are a "Sweater" or a "Non-Sweater". Retained sweat can get cold and when it does it stays cold. If you tend to sweat a lot stay away from rubber and plastic rainproofing. Go for Gore-Tex and Thinsulate linings which will allow sweat to evaporate. Layering is also the best way to go for variations in temperature.

Best of luck from a former Texas Panhandle (Pampa) guy.

Mel

SRiese5283 · Oct 09, 2003 05:10 PM

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Sub let the job, say home build planes, and make some profit.

Scott(that's what I would do)Riese

Scott Riese