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elmores · Jul 24, 2001 05:57 AM

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LAST EDITED ON Jul-24-01 AT 10:13 AM (EST)

My flying buddy (Irvin Ella) and I are going flying this Sunday it seems.

So it's time for my second flight - my first (and only) being 30 years ago.

My two Ukeys are ready (a 35 with a Fox 35 and a 40 with a McCoy 35).

The 40/McCoy balances about 1/4" in front of the front edge of the spar and the 35/Fox on the centre of the spar - this seems to be odd as most people think that they should be nose heavy as designed?

Where should the balance point be for my first flights - 3/4" or 1" in front of the spar or more?

Tony

captcurt · Jul 24, 2001 06:54 AM

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I believe Joe says to balance both models ON THE SPAR. One thing is that these dont follow the normal location for a spar in a wood wing. It is quite far forward already. I actually added a bit of tail weight to get the CG back to the spar on the forty and it seems to fly fine. Nils has also indicated that they nearly all need tail weight.

Be careful of the elevator hinge tape--I'm quite convinced now, after disecting remains, that this is what caused my figure nine crash.

HAVE FUN!

Curt

elmores · Jul 24, 2001 06:59 AM

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Hi Curt!

Yes but this is (effectively) my first flight so I want to go for insensitive - so should I add some weight to the nose to bring the cg forward?

Tony

Kurt · Jul 24, 2001 11:09 AM

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I haven't flown my U-key 35 yet but I believe that for a first time flight the balance point in front of the wing spar by about 1/4" should be fine. I have balanced mine at that point. Mine is powered by a Fox .35 with factory muffler, Brodak #596 wedge tank held on with rubber bands, MasterAirscrew 10 x 6 wood prop, 2 1/2" du-bro tire, clear waterbased polyurethane finish (minwax brand). I added 1/8 inch ply doublers from the nose to 1 1/2" behind the trailing edge of the wing, a wire tail skid(1/16 dia.) and plan to use .015 briaded lines about 60' in length eyelet to eyelet.

Kurt

elmores · Jul 24, 2001 11:28 AM

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>I haven't flown my U-key 35
>yet but I believe that
>for a first time flight
>the balance point in front
>of the wing spar by
>about 1/4" should be fine.

Great - I didn't realise just a 1/4" would be enough.

> I have balanced mine
>at that point.

I will add a bit of weight to the nose on the Fox/Ukey 35 to bring the cg forward a bit.

>Mine
>is powered by a Fox
>.35 with factory muffler,

I've 'modified' the stock Fox muffler to fit the McCoy - I have one of Big Art's tube mufflers on the Fox.


>Brodak #596 wedge tank held
>on with rubber bands,

I have a class A (meant for 2.5cc) tank on for the first few flights - I have a choice of a Brodak uniflow or one of Nil's modified clunk tanks/

>MasterAirscrew 10 x 6 wood
>prop,

I'm sticking to Nylon - I have a 10*5 APC (not Scimitar type) an old TF 10*6 and an APC 10.5*4.5.

>2 1/2" du-bro
>tire,

I've gone for 3"!

> clear waterbased polyurethane
>finish (minwax brand).

Flair Spectrum paint.

> I
>added 1/8 inch ply doublers
>from the nose to 1
>1/2" behind the trailing edge
>of the wing,

1/16 ply but 1.5" in front of tailplane

> a wire
>tail skid(1/16 dia.)

I've used tailwheels on both.

>and plan
>to use .015 briaded lines
>about 60' in length eyelet
>to eyelet.

I've a set of Tom Morris 19 strand ,015*57' and a set of Sullivan 7 Strand .015*60'

I will post photo's soon.
>Kurt


kdheath · Jul 24, 2001 12:36 PM

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LAST EDITED ON Jul-24-01 AT 12:38 PM (EST)

Our U-key 35 has an OS FP20, tongue muffler, #10 Perfect tank modified to uniflow, 2 1/4 Dave Brown wheel, no skid (didn't think of that), balances about 1/2" in front of the spar. Flew fine on some old 52' lines. I have a new set of 60' .015 lines that I haven't tried yet. The elevator was set for maximum slow. I broke the OS needle valve after a couple of flights, and only this week got it replaced. Now I need to do some more development flying.
Meant to say that I was very pleased with the way it flew, except that the outboard wing flew high. Has anyone else had this? Not sure of it needs tip weight or a trim tab yet.

The Kiwi · Jul 24, 2001 02:18 PM

RE: Good Luck! His time is near.#6 source
LAST EDITED ON Jul-27-01 AT 05:24 PM (EST)

>
> Our U-key 35 has an OS FP20, tongue muffler, #10 Perfect
> tank
(OH YUCK!) modified to uniflow,

(I've never been a fan of Perfect's tanks, no matter how they are plumbed. This is based on many factors; the Froom tanks were on the market by 1953 and vastly superior - slightly "pricey", but well worth it - became Veco, eventually.)
>
> The elevator was set for maximum slow. I broke
> the OS needle valve after a couple of flights, and
> only this week got it replaced.

Mostly I responded to suggest something to any NV breakage- prone fliers. There was a time when I was working on various outside stuff and trying to get my five foot exit heights dialed in; but was regularly knocking off the vertical fin and breaking off the needles.

I made up several sets of (1/16" +/- aluminum) motor "pads" that all had a flared-out side intended for the left, or "upper" lug of the engine. I shortened some of the longer needles so they didn't project past the "skid/protector" side of the pad. (And when I STILL was scraping off tail fins, made the last one from plywood so it would all break off in one piece, at least!)

(Added in edit.) P.S. I haven't had any generously long-nosed models at any flying fields lately to try remote needle setups with "plain suction" tanks. I like bladders with remote needles for combat planes, but simply haven't been enthusiastic about remotes for beginner modellers, since it adds several additional places for problems to appear that a beginner might be buffaloed by. But they do require a half inch or so of clear space between engine and fuel tank, if not more, as on vents-forward tanks!


Kiwi


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kdheath · Jul 24, 2001 09:47 PM

RE: Good Luck! His time is near.#9 source
> >
#10 Perfect
>> tank
(OH YUCK!) modified to uniflow,
>>

Well, gee, Kiwi. It seems to work, well, perfectly.....Besides, I got it on closeout for 59 cents at an LHS that was going out.

To save some space, thank you, Nils. You confirmed my suspicions.

kelvin

Nils · Jul 24, 2001 03:02 PM

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I'd try a tab. The tip weight should be right as is. I have a tab on my Ukey 15 made of clear plastic cut from a liter pop bottle. I stuck mine on on the bottom of the outside wing with Shoe Goo. Make it bigger than you think you'll need & trim it with scissors until it flys level.
Nils

Vernon Levy · Jul 24, 2001 03:05 PM

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Go for it Tony.

Give Irvin my regards. I bought a series 21 McCoy .35 from him a while ago. Still have not run it. If you want to build a Picador, he has some plans for it (he was kind enough to send me a set when I lost mine)

I noticed that you are using APC props. nothing wrong with them apart from their brittleness. Do make sure that you have some spares with you.

Good luck!

Vernon

Nils · Jul 24, 2001 10:35 PM

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APC props work fine & they're pretty tough, just remember to sand the flashing from the edges, they're also sharp as razors. Smoothing the edges a little won't make any difference in thier performance.
Nils

elmores · Jul 26, 2001 10:11 AM

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LAST EDITED ON Jul-26-01 AT 10:55 AM (EST)

Here are pictures of my Ukey 35 & 40 - the cat is Suki our Korat looking interested!

Kurt · Jul 26, 2001 11:43 AM

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Nice job on those planes Tony. I like the two wheel landing gear, Mine uses a mono wheel. I added 4 J-bolts to the nose to hold the fuel tank on. The canopy is a nice addition too. I didn't add one to mine although I think it may help if you land inverted. Go fly them this weekend and let us know what happens.

Kurt

Kelvin · Jul 27, 2001 05:02 PM

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OK, flew the great ugly beast again yesterday. Handled the new 60' lines nicely with good line tension over the top. APC 9/4 prop and new ST type NVA. This is the FP 20 powered U-key 35. A trim tab (thank you, Nils!) fixed the inboard roll component almost perfectly.