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cyberflyer · Nov 11, 2003 04:22 PM

eBay PT-19 Kit Pool#0 source
LAST EDITED ON Nov-13-03 AT 12:41 PM (CST)
 
OK, this is like the office pool on who will win the baseball game.

There is a rare Midwest kit of a PT-19 for stunt at auction on ebay.

Ebay Auction posting here

As of this posting, the bid is up to $201.79 and the reserve has been met.

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Any guesses posted here before November 14 at 10:45 PST will be considered valid entries in the "Guess the Final Price" pool. One day left.

Winner gets bragging rights.

Anyone who has any understanding of the lineage and performance of this kit/design can also contribute.

Cy

The Cat Whisperer

cyberflyer · Nov 11, 2003 04:33 PM

My guess#1 source

Oh, yeah.

I'm guessing the final price will be $237.50.


The Cat Whisperer

Circle Mouse Mary · Nov 11, 2003 04:36 PM

RE: My guess#2 source
$227.21

Or 4,762,362 pesos.

"Only on ebay..."

Jake · Nov 11, 2003 06:33 PM

RE: My guess#9 source
>
>Oh, yeah.
>
>I'm guessing the final price will be $237.50.
>
>

It won't go over $225-250 absolute max- the box lable isn't pristine enough. My guess is it will barely clear $200 or so in the current market.

Jake

"It'll probably feel real good again, once it quits hurting".

cyberflyer · Nov 11, 2003 06:37 PM

RE: My guess#10 source
> My guess is it will barely clear $200 or so
> in the current market.

so...

Is $201.00 your final answer?

The Cat Whisperer

Old Sourdough · Nov 11, 2003 04:53 PM

RE: eBay Kit Pool#3 source
LAST EDITED ON Nov-11-03 AT 05:18 PM (CST)
 
The plane, one of my real favorites of the Classic Era, was designed by Dave Hemstrought and published in a two page article in an Air Trails (I believe) Annual in the mid sixties. That two page article included the plan as well as very basic building information. I don't know how long Midwest produced the kit. I had never seen one until about 1985 when a well-loved and well-meaning in-law bought me a kit at a garage sale that was missing the plans and all of the wing rib top sections. That's why I've been looking for one since. Randy Smith now has the Midwest kit plan and Leonard, I believe, has the original Air Trails version plans.

I won't hazard a guess as to the eventual winning bid, but I will say that I've been watching these, including this one, for the five plus years since I've been involved at eBay. Selling prices for the kits I've seen there are:

31Mar01--$148.35 (didn't have the extra $ to bid for this one at the time)

16Aug01--$227.00

27Dec01--$174.50 (the one for which I was the high bidder and now resides here awaiting plans and missing parts copying)

5May02---$203.50

There may have been others in the earlier days of eBay when the search function was much more difficult to use.

Now, is that a bit more than you wanted to know?

The Old Sourdough
Ruksakinmakiak, Alaska, US of A

cyberflyer · Nov 11, 2003 04:59 PM

RE: eBay Kit Pool#5 source

>
>I won't hazard a guess as to the eventual winning bid...
>
>Now, is that a bit more than you wanted to know?
>
>

Sourdough:

You gotta hazard a guess!

It's no fun without you.

Cy.

The Cat Whisperer

Old Sourdough · Nov 14, 2003 02:05 PM

RE: eBay Kit Pool#38 source
I had a feeling this one might go this high since it had been over a year since the last one was sold at eBay. I guess that this bodes well for my selling mine when I'm ready to do so.

The Old Sourdough
Ruksakinmakiak, Alaska, US of A

wingwalk · Nov 11, 2003 04:57 PM

RE: eBay Kit Pool#4 source
Is this like the Price is right? The closest guess without going over wins?

My guess is $260.37

Kirk Wicker
www.wingwalk.com

cyberflyer · Nov 11, 2003 05:00 PM

RE: eBay Kit Pool#6 source
>Is this like the Price is right?
>The closest guess without going over wins?

Nope.

Closest guess in either direction.

.25 cents over is better estimate then $5.00 under.

Cy.

The Cat Whisperer

Tim McTigue · Nov 11, 2003 05:42 PM

RE: eBay Kit Pool#7 source
Cy, you've got too many slashes after the "http:" in your link. Man, that's a beaut! Do we only get one guess?

Tim

MAAC 65703

cyberflyer · Nov 11, 2003 05:50 PM

RE: eBay Kit Pool link fixed.#8 source
LAST EDITED ON Nov-12-03 AT 01:11 AM (CST)
 
Thanks, Tim!

The "link:" syntax was adding two slashes that I did not expect.

I'm so good at this I don't even have to test my own code any more...

Yes.

One guess each, please.

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Has anyone ever flown one of these critters?

Cy.

The Cat Whisperer

DICKBYRON · Nov 11, 2003 07:00 PM

RE: eBay Kit Pool link fixed.#11 source
Its going to be $203.55

??????

wingwalk · Nov 11, 2003 07:08 PM

RE: eBay Kit Pool link fixed.#12 source
Cy,

I think I flew one of those when I was a kid. At least from the die smashed wood it looks like something I have built before!

Kirk Wicker
www.wingwalk.com

Bill Little · Nov 11, 2003 07:50 PM

RE: eBay Kit Pool link fixed.#14 source
>
>Has anyone ever flown one of these critters?
>
>Cy.

Hi Cy,
Yep, I had one of those for a while around 1967, Fox 35 and all. The kit sure didn't fly as well as Dave's which, as expected, didn't get copied exactly when Midwest produced the kit.
Dave is one of the first gentlemen I met when I went out to the "contest circuit" and has been an invaluable help with my son and me. Just got to build one of "his" PT-19s one of these days.

Price?? $209.00

Bill <><


Dont worry about the mule going blind 'til you get the cart loaded!

Larry Fernandez · Nov 13, 2003 01:50 PM

RE: eBay Kit Pool link fixed.#26 source
I have one hanging in my garage right now. My father built one from the Midwest kit in 1970. When we moved to Colorado in 1974, my father gave all his airplanes to my uncle, who gave it all back to me a couple of years ago when he found out I was involved in the hobby again. It has a small case Johnson S motor, the old Veco wheels and Aero Gloss dope. I flew it a few times but was never comfortable with it. Three inch bellcrank and very quick controls have never suited my flying style. So it just hangs in the garage and reminds me of my childhood when Dad and I used to fly every Sunday morning at Irvington High School. I say the one on E-Bay goes for 307.00. Larry, South Bay Circle Jerks.

DICKBYRON · Nov 14, 2003 01:06 PM

RE: eBay Kit Pool link fixed.#35 source
Good guess. Ed prohaska is the seller. Avery old and dear friend.

Ty Marcucci · Nov 11, 2003 07:24 PM

RE: eBay Kit Pool#13 source
Easy to figure out the final price. Go on and make a horrendous bid no one would try to top, ergo, you win. (for Danny Boy)

Bob Reeves · Nov 12, 2003 04:08 AM

RE: eBay Kit Pool#15 source
236.50

T.Durrill · Nov 12, 2003 09:54 AM

RE: eBay Kit Pool#16 source
LAST EDITED ON Nov-12-03 AT 09:45 PM (CST)
 
I remember going into my local hobbyshop one day in 1967 and seeing 4 or 5 Midwest PT-19 kits on the shelf. The shop was clearing out all the slow selling C/L items and these kits were going for $12.95 each. I was only interested in the Flite Line Vampire kits selling for $4.95 and bought four of these. Now, I wish I had also picked up the 4 or 5 Midwest PT-19s. Oh, well......................TD

Old Sourdough · Nov 12, 2003 10:35 AM

RE: eBay Kit Pool#17 source
TD,

I wish that you had done that, too. I'd allow you to almost quadruple your investment by paying you $50.00 for one of them. Of course, I'd be willing to take all those slow movers off your hands..........say $175.00 for the lot. What a deal, eh?


The Old Sourdough
Ruksakinmakiak, Alaska, US of A

Circle Mouse Mary · Nov 12, 2003 07:44 PM

RE: eBay Kit Pool#18 source
LAST EDITED ON Nov-12-03 AT 07:45 PM (CST)
 
The current bid is now 201.79. I've seen last minute bidding push up the price. We may be very surprised.

greedy · Nov 12, 2003 09:14 PM

RE: eBay Kit Pool#19 source
My guess is 229.95

greedy

De · Nov 12, 2003 09:51 PM

RE: eBay Kit Pool#20 source
$217.79

dennis · Nov 12, 2003 10:07 PM

RE: eBay Kit Pool#21 source
I remember flying and crashing one of those. It belonged to a friend of mine who left us behind in vietnam. Always loved the plane and have the plans.Of Course $200.00 is more then I'd ever pay for any old kit, certainly not to just sit on a shelf and be admired. I also say the same for Sterling,Jetco,Veco,Keni kits also.
As long as the plans are available you can have the plane.
Oh yes, a price,$270.00, They're all nuts on the bay.
Dennis

Currell · Nov 12, 2003 10:31 PM

RE: eBay Kit Pool#23 source
3 bills. Currell

Patrick Rowan · Nov 12, 2003 10:29 PM

RE: eBay Kit Pool#22 source
I'll top Gil. $238.00.

Fly Stunt

Giffy · Nov 12, 2003 10:35 PM

RE: eBay Kit Pool#24 source
What do we get if we win? I'll bet $300 and, buy the kit to win (lol).

Giffy

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I Fly

Tim McTigue · Nov 13, 2003 06:18 AM

RE: eBay Kit Pool#25 source
My guess is: $322.50

Tim

MAAC 65703

Elwyn · Nov 13, 2003 06:50 PM

RE: eBay PT-19 Kit Pool#27 source
$275

catdaddy · Nov 13, 2003 07:18 PM

RE: eBay PT-19 Kit Pool#28 source
265.50

regards,
Rick "catdaddy" Blankenship

jaco · Nov 13, 2003 07:23 PM

RE: eBay PT-19 Kit Pool#29 source
$267.50


JACO

cyberflyer · Nov 14, 2003 11:31 AM

Last Call for final bid guesses#30 source

It's an hour and a half to go and the current bid is $204.29.

No guess on the final price posted after 10:45 will be valid, so you have an hour and a quarter or so to guess the final winning bid.

Wait until you all hear the prize for the nearest amount....

Cy.

The Cat Whisperer

SRiese5283 · Nov 14, 2003 12:03 PM

RE: Last Call for final bid guesses#31 source
302.51

Scott Riese

Bob Reeves · Nov 14, 2003 12:24 PM

RE: Last Call for final bid guesses#32 source
Well it is already over my guess, wow unbelievable..

New guess 337.50...

C/L Gee Bee · Nov 14, 2003 12:48 PM

RE: Last Call for final bid guesses#33 source
I had one from a Garage Sale, real heavy, Fox .35 wouldn't pull a solid wingover! MY GUESS: $286.50

Mike in Atwater,
'When I fly, the plane gets nervous'

LNeumann · Nov 14, 2003 01:01 PM

RE: Last Call for final bid guesses#34 source
I would guess it would go over $300, say $305.

(I cheated, only 35 seconds left)

Leonard Neumann

jaco · Nov 14, 2003 01:17 PM

RE: Last Call for final bid guesses#36 source
Looks like Giffy and Currell came close.

Currell · Nov 14, 2003 02:03 PM

RE: Last Call for final bid guesses#37 source
I think I won, considering I guessed $300 two days ago.

Your choice of what you want to send me.

How about a NIB Cox Piper Comanche .15 RTF?

Currell

jaco · Nov 14, 2003 04:10 PM

RE: Last Call for final bid guesses#40 source
>I think I won, considering I guessed $300 two days ago.
>
>Your choice of what you want to send me.
>
>How about a NIB Cox Piper Comanche .15 RTF?
>
>Currell

I would be willing to send you a burned out cox glow head?

Tim McTigue · Nov 14, 2003 04:18 PM

RE: Last Call for final bid guesses#41 source
>I think I won, considering I guessed $300 two days ago.
>
>Your choice of what you want to send me.
>
>How about a NIB Cox Piper Comanche .15 RTF?
>
>Currell


I agree, Currell, but hey - my guess was only $2.50 further off than yours. Not bad, eh? So you get bragging rights, and I get to bask in the reflected glory. Good deal!

Tim

MAAC 65703

Currell · Nov 14, 2003 11:04 PM

RE: Last Call for final bid guesses#46 source

>I agree, Currell, but hey - my guess was only $2.50 further
>off than yours,

a day later. Currell

Old Sourdough · Nov 14, 2003 02:30 PM

RE: eBay PT-19 Kit Pool#39 source
LAST EDITED ON Nov-14-03 AT 02:31 PM (CST)
 
After checking the bidding history, I notice that one of our frequent posters had the $201.79 bid. I hope that all this speculation didn't alert others to the auction and beat him out of it. If so, I apologize for my part in the action.

The Old Sourdough
Ruksakinmakiak, Alaska, US of A

Ty Marcucci · Nov 14, 2003 10:45 PM

RE: eBay PT-19 Kit Pool#45 source
The second I bid, I knew this would happen. Oh well, I have the plans.

cyberflyer · Nov 14, 2003 04:29 PM

RE: eBay PT-19 Kit Pool Winner#42 source

Final price is $310.00 on the nose.

Winning Bid Guesser:

$307.00 Larry Fernandez

Near Bids:

$302.51 Scott Riese
$300.00 Currell
$300.00 Giffy
$322.50 Tim McTigue
$286.50 Mike Lauerman
$275.00 Elwyn
$270.00 Dennis

Close but disqualified:

$337.50 Bob Reeves (Two Guesses)
$305.00 Leonard Neumann (Late Guess)

Now, as to the possibility that this contest influenced the bidding, who gets more traffic, eBay or Stuka Stunt Forum?

There's an interesting discussion about the observation of an event influencing the event itself, but that delves into physics.

Thank you all for participating.

Should this kind of thing be done again?

Or would we merely start a bidding war amongst ourselves?

I've often wondered about an item on Ebay and thought to ask the members here if a 'NIB vintage I-beam whiz-bang stunt kit autographed by the designer' was the kind of thing a guy would want to have in his possession--and then thought better of asking for the board's opinion because the act of doing so would tip everyone else off that such an item was up for auction.

Let's hear it folks, can we work together and help each other out by deciding on sensible values for an item and keep anyone from overpaying on ebay or would we merely make the effect of supply and demand greater by discussing an item in the forum and thereby drive up prices?

Would you advise the rest of the forum that an engine you need to fill out your complete collection is basically a clunker, never any good when it is new, just to keep the price down on an item you want desperately?

Are we men, or merchants?

Cy.

The Cat Whisperer

SRiese5283 · Nov 14, 2003 06:10 PM

RE: eBay PT-19 Kit Pool Winner#43 source
I want a RECOUNT...CHAD was in the room!

Scott Riese

Tim McTigue · Nov 14, 2003 06:33 PM

RE: eBay PT-19 Kit Pool Winner#44 source
You... you mean... ol' "Hangin' Chad?"

Or mebbie his wife - Pregnant Chad...

Tim

MAAC 65703

Currell · Nov 14, 2003 11:07 PM

RE: eBay PT-19 Kit Pool Winner#47 source
Cy: You don't have to worry about that stuff.

The people that want it, know about it.

Currell

Currell · Nov 14, 2003 11:10 PM

RE: eBay PT-19 Kit Pool Winner#48 source
Yes, Larry won. His bid was buried in his narrative, and I didn't see it.

Scott's was very late in the game, though. It's like predicting the Marlins are going to win the World Series after 8 innings of the 6th game this year. Currell

Larry Fernandez · Nov 17, 2003 12:38 PM

RE: eBay PT-19 Kit Pool Winner#49 source
WHAT DO I WIN WHAT DO I WIN !!!!!!!!!! Since I did'nt win the PT-19 on E-Bay. I picked 307.00 because I was dumb enough to bid 305.00 and did not think anyone was dumb enough to bid more than that. (wrong again). Larry, NorCal Circle Jerks:(

OKCflyer · Nov 19, 2003 11:29 PM

RE: eBay PT-19 Kit Pool Winner#50 source
Are people that buy from ebay really dumb ....... am I dumb cos I bought a Super Tigre 51 with tongue muffler reworked by Tom Dixon for $125.00 on ebay it said it was just bench tested and appears to be as described complete with instruction sheet from Tom Dixon on breaking it in and useing the engine, I described the engine to Bill Little via e-mail and he seems to believe it is as described. ..... so I ask again am I dumb by buying on ebay????

SRiese5283 · Nov 20, 2003 01:15 AM

RE: eBay PT-19 Kit Pool Winner#51 source
>Yes, Larry won. His bid was buried in his narrative, and I
>didn't see it.
>
>Scott's was very late in the game, though. It's like
>predicting the Marlins are going to win the World Series
>after 8 innings of the 6th game this year. Currell

HAY now.

Scott(Can you spell RELEAF)Riese

Scott Riese