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Jay Williams · Nov 13, 2003 11:01 PM

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I just heard that Lone Star is SOLD out of the bigger 4-6lb grade wood. Aaron was the one to drop the bomb and let me know. Said that they will not be getting any of the bigger 4x36" stuff till January. Any idea on where we can get the good stuff at a reasonable price? I know Sig might be one, but they are a real budget killer. Funny thing is most of us are gearing up for the building season as it is getting too cold or WINDY to fly.
Share what you know so that we all can keep building.
Jay

Ty Marcucci · Nov 13, 2003 11:35 PM

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Do like I do, buy it years in advance or go rob a kit you know you'll never build and replace the wood later.
There was a lady on &-bay that sold great 4-6 lb stuff at low prices. I got three batches from her for much less than the LHS or Lone Star. She went by "crazy gambler" or such. Just a thought for what it's worth.

SRiese5283 · Nov 14, 2003 01:18 AM

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Scott Riese

Iskandar Taib · Nov 14, 2003 01:41 AM

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LAST EDITED ON Nov-14-03 AT 01:42 AM (CST)
 
There's also Superior. Run by the famous free flighter Sal Taibi. I bought a LOT of wood from them. Little of it was AAA, I preferred the "Bargain Balsa" wood (really very good wood with minor blemishes and the odd worm hole or two, plenty good for Combat and plenty cheap). But I understand they have really good wood if you choose to buy it, at great prices.

http://www.superiorbalsa.com/

Peter Hess · Nov 15, 2003 11:27 AM

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I ordered wood from Superior yesterday (Friday, 11/14) and discovered that they, too, are running out of various sizes of their "Contest Grade" (4 - 7#) wood.

Peter Hess
Canton, CT

Jim Pollock · Nov 14, 2003 07:26 AM

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I've gotten some 4-6 LB Wood from Balsa USA it was pretty good and slightly lower in price than Loan Star too.

Jim Pollock

Bill Little · Nov 14, 2003 07:52 AM

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Lone Star told us yesterday (Thursday) that all they had in 4-6 lb. is 3 X 36 sheets. No 4" wide or 42"-48" long which is really nice for the newer size ship's fuselage sides. Also no 30" stock that we use for wing skins, flaps, stab/elev, etc..
Bill <><


Dont worry about the mule going blind 'til you get the cart loaded!

Steve Fitton · Nov 14, 2003 08:50 AM

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Bill,

This happens every once and awhile at Lone Star, and I'm sure with some of the other guys, too. Best thing to do is order alot when it is in stock to hoard up against the shortages. I have had success ordering from what Lone Star calls "open stock" and just specifying the softest wood they can find. I order twice as much, since it costs about half as much as contest wood. I find the open stock is typically much straighter than the 4-6 lb, and I can sort through the extra to find the lightest pieces. I built my new Time machine 50 exclusively from this wood and ended up with a 48 ounce ready to fly model, so the weight of the heavier wood was not a major impediment to an adequately light model. The one caveat I have is do not buy blocks for carving from open stock, or you will get a plank suitable for baseball but not carving.

Steve

Bill Little · Nov 14, 2003 09:13 AM

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Hi Buddy,
Good idea, and I have done just that before. When Riley was there, I would just talk to him and he would pretty much give me what I needed.
As to ordering a bunch of wood at a time, I have not figured out the Feds manner of deficit spending and being able to get away with it.
The biggest problem right now is that we need the wood, in certain sizes, and it isn't available.
Bummer! Will just have to find it elsewhere.
Building light isn't my problem, getting enough money to buy the wood is! LOL!!
I fully expect you to spearhead the movement at the next Huntersville meet to raise the appropriate monies to fund my ships! LOL!! Of course I will set it up as tax deductable.
Thanks!
Bill <><

Dont worry about the mule going blind 'til you get the cart loaded!

Steve Fitton · Nov 14, 2003 10:53 AM

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Bud Nosen balsa might have what sizes you need. I think thats where Dixon gets his wood from these days.

Currell · Nov 14, 2003 10:57 AM

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Hey Jay: Come on down to the Rider's Hobby Shop, going out of business in Shelby Twp, off of M-59.

Lots of balsa still left, some the Contest stuff, at 40% off. And it probably will go to 50% shortly.

Currell

captcurt · Nov 15, 2003 12:09 PM

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AS of 11:00 AM nothing of interest left at all. Even when they had alot, they had very little contest grade.

Curt

Bill Little · Nov 14, 2003 11:05 AM

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Hey Steve, Haven't ordered from Bud, but have seen his name around "forever". Have you ever ordered from him?
Bill


Don't worry about the mule going blind 'til you get the cart loaded!

Ty Marcucci · Nov 14, 2003 10:59 PM

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My understanding is Bud Nosen will not sell to individuals, only to kit makers like Tom Dixon. I have two of his kits with Nosen balsa and it is perfect. Too perfect, hate to cut it!!

Steve Helmick · Nov 15, 2003 12:08 AM

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LAST EDITED ON Nov-15-03 AT 01:02 AM (CST)
 
>My understanding is Bud Nosen will not sell to individuals,
>only to kit makers like Tom Dixon. I have two of his kits
>with Nosen balsa and it is perfect. Too perfect, hate to
>cut it!!

I don't know if Bud Nosen sells direct or not, but Webster's Hobby here in Seattle (they're gone now) stocked a lot of Nosen's wood, and it was nice, and it was straight...surprisingly so. Compared to SIG or Superior, it "stacked up" well. Pun intended, couldn't resist.

(for Dan) Steve

Edit: Check here, and you'll happily pay SIG prices: http://www.f1d.biz/

Jay Williams · Dec 01, 2003 10:55 AM

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Looking for a site for Bud Nosen and can't come up with anythng. You guys have a link? Thanks
Jay

captcurt · Dec 01, 2003 11:59 AM

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Most of the Prop Shop stock (extensive) is Bud Nosen. Really nice wood but the light stuff is around 7-8 Lb.

On Van Dyke just north of 9 mile

Curt

fernando · Dec 04, 2003 09:58 PM

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A friend of mine told me that balsa wood may become scarce and expensive in the future. This may or may not be true, but we should start thinking of altenatives.
Can foam or other materials be substituted for balsa? Foam ribs and fuselage? Lightweight plastic cut from soda bottles? plexiglass?

fernando;-)

Iskandar Taib · Dec 04, 2003 10:09 PM

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How soon before we build wings out of aerogel?

http://www.aerogel.com/products.htm

Dick Fowler · Dec 05, 2003 02:11 PM

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This stuff looks interesting! Would even withstand re-entry from our zero gravity manuevers!

Alan Hahn · Dec 05, 2003 10:55 AM

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I "think" that Balsa can be farmed, and if so, it probably won't become that scarce. More expensive probably.

Alan

LNeumann · Dec 05, 2003 11:47 AM

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They are farming it already. It takes about 6 to 7 years to harvest a balsa tree to full maturity, if I am correct, something similar to the life of a rubber tree. Did you ever notice the large amounts of light wood furniture being produced these days--tables, chairs. You see a lot of it in the furniture stores, Wal Mart, Target, etc. This is rubber tree wood. The rubber tree has a useful life of about 6 to 7 years. They are growing them on plantations these days, and when they get too old to produce sufficient quantities of sap for rubber, they harvest them for their wood and plant new ones. This is a renewable resource, and unless people start using the wood for other purposes in large quantities (as they did with ur balsa wood to line the huge oil tankers a few years past), there should be no scarcity.

If everyone wants a certain grade of wood, however, there can be periodic shortages which will be reflected in the price difference. However, instead of using 5 pound 1/16 inch wood to sheet foam wings, for instance, we can use 10 pound 1/32 wood. It is just as strong, produces a structure that is just as light, and doesn't soak up the dope as much. So it is even lighter in the end. Find uses for the heavier stuff and save money (and sometimes weight as well.) That way you can save the lighter wood for me when I need it.

Leonard Neumann

dirtydan · Dec 05, 2003 01:31 PM

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LAST EDITED ON Dec-06-03 AT 02:48 PM (CST)
 
Even though the logic escapes quite a few people, the answer here is to buy as much wood as you can afford. The higher the demand for balsa wood, the quicker the market will react by planting more trees in those balsa-tree plantations I have heard about. Or merely going deeper into the jungle ("rain forest," indeed!) to locate and extract the ultimate in kits for model aircraft.

While buying an oil tanker would stretch one's budget, the Corvette still uses a floor pan which has end-grain balsa sandwiched between upper and lower layers of, so I am told, formed steel sheet.

Back to first point, when the clerk asks "Paper or plastic?" at the grocery store, I always ask for paper, explaining that I am an enviromentalist who loves trees, who wants to see as many trees as possible flourishing upon our planet.

Dan

Iskandar Taib · Dec 06, 2003 10:35 PM

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LAST EDITED ON Dec-07-03 AT 00:25 AM (CST)
 
The rubber wood all comes from here (Malaysia). Actually, the trees take about 5 years to mature, at which point they start producing rubber. They can keep producing rubber for another 10-15 years, after which they're cut down and used for wood. Rubber wood used to be regarded as a low-quality waste product at one time, but isn't anymore, what with modern methods of getting large pieces out of small trees, and patching up the bad spots, so much so that they're now actually planting trees just for the wood (you can plant them a lot closer together if you want to do that). Makes good furniture.

Balsa's been farmed for ever - wild balsa doesn't grow in the size and shape we need, it's got to be pruned as it grows, or you get a bush, not a tree. (Sorry, Dan, it isn't necessary to destroy virgin rain forest to make Corvettes - that's just an anti-environmentalist wet dream.. )

Al Rabe · Dec 07, 2003 09:37 AM

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Lone Star has a new shipment in customs, so I guess that Jan availability is probably accurate. I try to buy good balsa when I see it and stock it for future projects. If you find balsa expensive now, do you think it is going to be cheaper next year when you build your next model. By buying and stocking really good wood when you find it, the crunch only comes when you need a specific thickness, weight or grain.

Yesterday, I needed some really light 3/8" sheet. To get it I had to pull my last 3" x36" of honest to goodness 4 lb wood from the attic and drive to Lone Star to get it cut.

Try to stay at least one airplane ahead in your wood stock. Selective buying will result in better quality, cheaper wood. And for what its worth, I build mostly from very carefully selected 6-7 lb wood and avoid too light weight "punky" wood for structural applications. If you weigh each piece when you buy it, you will find that quite a bit of "contest" balsa weighs more than 6 lb and there is quite a bit of light 5-6 lb wood sold as standard weight at lower prices than contest

Al

dirtydan · Dec 08, 2003 03:26 PM

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LAST EDITED ON Dec-10-03 AT 03:59 PM (CST)
 
Got my snipper out...

Balsa's been farmed for ever - wild balsa doesn't grow in the size and shape we need, it's got to be pruned as it grows, or you get a bush, not a tree. (Sorry, Dan, it isn't necessary to destroy virgin rain forest to make Corvettes - that's just an anti-environmentalist wet dream.. )


Isky,

I'm not an expert on balsa or the growing of same, but my recollection from various articles in the modeling press is at variance with your statement that a balsa tree begins as a bush and is pruned to urge it into growing tall and straight.

Are you saying the C5 does not use balsa bits as a component? And I don't believe I said, even came close to concluding, that it is necessary to violate the jungle in order to make Corvettes. Hardly the only way, the only choice of materials, to get the desired result.

Wet dream? What a nice touch. Having been raised on a farm in the Yakima Valley of Washington state, I have impeccable credentials when it comes to proper stewardship (enviromentalism, if you wish) of the land. I practice this stewardship to this day, whether specifying paper bags instead of plastic, maintaining two compost bins--each the size of a Buick--as part and parcel of a rather large garden, using organic fertilizers exclusively in prodding veggies to maturation, the list runs on and on. But you seem to have made some amazing leaps of logic and probably don't want to hear about the rest of the story.

Dan