Bill Little · Nov 20, 2003 12:02 PM
#0 sourceWell, we all have opinions. I have mine about judging, and......
awww.... forget it.
Bill <><
awww.... forget it.
Bill <><
Dont worry about the mule going blind 'til you get the cart loaded!
IMHO
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Bill Little · Nov 20, 2003 12:41 PM
#1 sourceWhat the heck, the worst thing that can happen is that this gets "deleted".
I, personally as a competition flier, like the idea of "establishing the manuever's bottoms" height during level flight. The pattern should become more *consistent* if this is attempted. Judging is easier if the pattern is more consistent. The top dawgs do this, whether they mean to or not, due to their consistency.
No it is not part of the Rules, and yes as long as a "bottom" is between 4-6 feet, when called for, the bottom is *correct*. Not my point. If I were to be judging, and flier #1 does as I described, then flier #2 does the same pattern quality wise but with bottoms that vary between 4-6 feet but not consistently the *same*, flier #1 will get a higher score from me. I know I'm wrong, but the *same pattern* will "look" better from #1. No matter what, judging is subjective.
Bill <><
I, personally as a competition flier, like the idea of "establishing the manuever's bottoms" height during level flight. The pattern should become more *consistent* if this is attempted. Judging is easier if the pattern is more consistent. The top dawgs do this, whether they mean to or not, due to their consistency.
No it is not part of the Rules, and yes as long as a "bottom" is between 4-6 feet, when called for, the bottom is *correct*. Not my point. If I were to be judging, and flier #1 does as I described, then flier #2 does the same pattern quality wise but with bottoms that vary between 4-6 feet but not consistently the *same*, flier #1 will get a higher score from me. I know I'm wrong, but the *same pattern* will "look" better from #1. No matter what, judging is subjective.
Bill <><
Dont worry about the mule going blind 'til you get the cart loaded!
Of course, impression cannot help but influence the reactions of the judges. That is why it is important to have a super wingover and squares.
The City Smasher
Randy Ryan · Nov 20, 2003 01:00 PM
#3 sourceBill,
I think you're right on because maneuvers are judged on consistancy as well. Square loops with a 4' bottom first followed by 6' the 5' are not very consistant. Lower score then if all were at 4', 5' or 6'
Randy Ryan
AMA 8500
SAM 36
I fly 'em all and love it!
OK, I'm judging. I'm about 180 feet away looking to see if an airplane flying 50 MPH, and a foot or so high from bottom of wheels to tip of rudder, is flying in an airspace two feet from top to bottom. And you want me to determine if the CG of the airplane is exactly at 5 feet, with no fixed reference points for comparison. I am sorry guys, but your expectations will not be met! Perhaps you could more usefully discuss how many invisible angels can dance on the head of a pin.
I have been thinking to suggest to my CL clubs that we take a surveryor's level and put up some poles, with an orange stripe marking 4 to 6 feet, around the circle. I think this would be really helpful and revealing.
SRiese5283 · Nov 20, 2003 04:42 PM
#5 sourceI have been thinking to suggest to my CL clubs that we take a surveryor's level and put up some poles, with an orange stripe marking 4 to 6 feet, around the circle. I think this would be really helpful and revealing.
Jim Thomerson
I do it. And I also put poles up for the sides of the squares.
Scott Riese