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godzilla · Dec 01, 2003 12:56 PM

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I have my wing cores all sheeted, covered and slicked. The grain holdout is simply incredible with the carbon, much better than the silkspan (the carbon does not shrink). At this rate the primer will only be used as a sealer instead of a filler, since the surface is pretty much filled with the carbon alone.

The total weight of finish per core, from bare wood to a completely slick finish, is 1.2 OZ. That is 2.4 OZ of fill finish for the wing (700 square inch wing). This is similar to the weights using silkspan, but the silkspan wing required further filling and excess primer. I do not see the need with the carbon. I could keep sanding, but I do not think I will.

To say the surface is hard would be an understatement. Two layers of .3 oz Art's Hobby cloth is simply like sanding an Eather prop. Pretty incredible.

The method thus far is to rub one super light coat of straight PC on the wood (I use a paper towel) and let dry overnight. Knock the edges off with 180 grit. Mix PC, zinc stearate, and alcohol 2-1-1 into a "slurry". Use slurry for all carbon attaching (kind of looks like thin chunky mayo). Simply lay the carbon down and brush until filled. Let dry two hours. Check for bubbles. If bubbles (places that did not lay down well) appear, sand quickly with 180 grit and the area will lay down. Let dry over night. Sand with 180 grit. Add second coat of slurry. Sand with 180 and then 320 for slick finish (only use auto body open coat papers).

I know there will be responses to the effect that this method is too "heavy". My numbers show this finish to be lighter than Mr. Hyde (more filled at the same weight). Mr. Hyde is 64 oz all trimmed out. Even though Bobby Hunt thinks that is heavy (this is indeed heavy for a Ro Jett 40 plane), Mr. Hyde might be the lightest Impact sized Saito 72 plane around (Windy's Typhoon might have been lighter) especially for a foam winger (also too heavy). The goal after all was to be the same weight as PW's Impacts, and that goal was achieved. Now I am searching for the ultimate tough and strong finish (read that "wears like iron").

BTW all of the finishing so far was done inside the house with zero complaints by the wife. This is the true BONUS of any method using PC. Filling with PC, carbon, and zinc stearate allows me to further finish the airplane in the house with a brush, delaying the inevitable trip to the garage and the spray gun.

The City Smasher

cyberflyer · Dec 01, 2003 01:02 PM

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I'd love to try this on my current project. I have to believe that the PC captured carbon is very stiff.

I'll have test to see if I can put a dope finish over polyspan which is how I'll cover the wings.

Thanks for the post.

Cy.

If it were easier than this, it
wouldn't be called a hack.

godzilla · Dec 01, 2003 01:17 PM

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>
>I'd love to try this on my current project. I have to
>believe that the PC captured carbon is very stiff.

Zes. Zis izz korrect.

>I'll have test to see if I can put a dope finish over
>polyspan which is how I'll cover the wings.
>
>Thanks for the post.

Just spray on a coat of PC to seal. Much better barrier from the "fuzzies" than dope. Lightly coat with primer for fill. Paint wih dope.

The City Smasher

cyberflyer · Dec 01, 2003 02:26 PM

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>>I'll have test to see if I can put a dope finish over
>>polyspan which is how I'll cover the wings.
>
>Just spray on a coat of PC to seal. Much better barrier
>from the "fuzzies" than dope. Lightly coat with primer for
>fill. Paint wih dope.


Hmmm.

I can get the PolySpan fairly tight with heat, but it takes a coat of thinned dope or three to bring it up tight as a drum. I'd prefer to dope the span on and dope it a ways to shrink it down.

Just so I know what I am talking about, you are referring to MinWax water based polycrylic, right?

That's what I'll ask for up at Ace.

Cy.

If it were easier than this, it
wouldn't be called a hack.

godzilla · Dec 01, 2003 02:34 PM

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>>That's what I'll ask for up at Ace.
>
>Cy.

Home Depot.

Minwax Polycrylic.

The City Smasher

cyberflyer · Dec 02, 2003 11:16 AM

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You're an Ace!

Shame about all those shattered Japanese cities.

If people only knew you better....

Cy.

If it were easier than this, it
wouldn't be called a hack.

N42222 · Dec 02, 2003 08:13 PM

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Brad, Is this stuff the milky white water based PC or the petroleum based? I used the milky white and it just was absorbed by the wood and didn't harden it. Just trying to clarify. Thanks,

Dale Gleason

godzilla · Dec 03, 2003 08:05 AM

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>Brad, Is this stuff the milky white water based PC or the
>petroleum based? I used the milky white and it just was
>absorbed by the wood and didn't harden it. Just trying to
>clarify. Thanks,

Never heard of a petroleom based Polycrylic.

The City Smasher

Maverick · Dec 03, 2003 08:34 AM

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Petroleum based is for floors. It really gets hard! Takes a day or 2 to dry.
Richard Oliver

OS32 · Dec 02, 2003 05:27 PM

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How much does the foam wing weigh ,after being joined,with controls installed,& wingtips???

John Leidle