AMA Numbers on an OTS

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Big Country Joe · Dec 02, 2003 08:10 PM

I have been told that it isn't necessary to have your AMA #'s on an old time stunter because they didn't have to in pre 1953 contests. I was around in the late 40' and early 50's but I cant remember about the numbers and all my old pictures from that time are gone.I also don't think we can fly without the #'s because we are subject to the current rules governing our hobby. Am I right or wrong on this? Also, if I enter an oldtimer in OTS and don't need the numbers will I have to add them if I also enter the same plane in classic?

Joe

35TAC · Dec 02, 2003 09:38 PM

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All aircraft flown in stunt must have AMA number as per the rule book.OTS,Classic, et all.
Wayne Buran CD

peabody · Dec 02, 2003 09:43 PM

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Joe:
Our AMA requires that our names and AMA numbers be in / on each of our models....I always stick a pasty address label from one of the bleeding heart groups that I suport to the underside of the bellcrank platform.

OTS does not have a BOM, so numbers might not be applicable if permanently affixed.....generally, those judging OTS know the flyer and get the numbers onto the right score sheet.

Almost by definition, OTS aeroplanes are eligible for Classic, and there is no BOM there, either.

Interesting question. I believe that if the model is identified per the general rule book. Since OTS and Classic are not official AMA classes, I interpret that numbers aren't needed.

See Ya

Peabody

De · Dec 02, 2003 09:53 PM

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You do need AMA numbers on airplanes in both OTS and Classic.

The BOM does apply to Classic airplanes. Otherwise, why would you give them appearance points?

Alan Hahn · Dec 02, 2003 09:50 PM

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I know the AMA Safety code requires your AMA number somewhere on the plane (except for indoor FF). If you fly in AMA rulebook CL PA event contests, then your number needs to be at least 1 inch high and on the upper right wing or on each side of the fuse or vertical tail.

Since OTS contests aren't official AMA rulebook events (I think), I am not too sure exactly what you need. Clearly the Safety Code rule requires the AMA # somewhere (inside the canopy for example).

Iskandar Taib · Dec 02, 2003 10:11 PM

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If you don't want them to be very visible, why not take a cue from the USAF and use "low visibility" AMA numbers? Make them in a slightly paler shade of yellow as the rest of the wing..

Jim T. · Dec 02, 2003 10:35 PM

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AMA General. ". . . will be identified with the OWNER'S name and address OR AMA number on or in the model."

CLPA 2.3 ". . . CONTESTANT'S AMA number . . .

CLPA 2.3 is, I think, linked to BOM. Because there is no BOM in OTS, I do not think it is pertinent. I can see where the AMA General might apply. So far as I know, a contestant's AMA number on the airplane has never been a requirement at a major OTS contest.

The PAMPA rules for OTS say, "all pertinent AMA regulations . . ." Question is whether an(y) AMA number is pertinent. I never really thought about it, and always put my AMA number on my OTS airplanes. Both Jim Lee and Keith Trostle used "stealth" numbers on their Spirit of St. Louis OTS airplanes.

SRiese5283 · Dec 02, 2003 11:46 PM

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If it's a PAMPA event or AMA it don't mater you got to have them.
i.e. NATS, VSC, NW Regionals, Texas

NOW if I come to a local OTS event and I was told that I couldn't fly because I didn’t have numbers on my plane I would be very PISSED OFF. About half don’t have them numbers anyway.
Classic and PA Just because of the high profile of the event you should have them AMA numbers. IMHOOnly

Scott(BOY am I goimg to hear it)Riese

slodog · Dec 03, 2003 12:51 AM

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All of my airplanes have my AMA number on them, even my old timers,
because that how I interpret the rules.

It seems like most contests change at least some of the rules for one reason or another, so to be stopped from flying because you don't have a number on your wing or fuselage, would be pretty sh!^^y.

Andrew Raney

JohnT4051 · Dec 03, 2003 12:56 AM

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Hi, Joe.
Did you get that All-American straightened out and flying?
--jt

wcrane · Dec 03, 2003 05:15 AM

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Are you flying at an AMA Sanctioned event? Then you must abide by the safety code. Numbers required. Are you NOT flying at an AMA event? No numbers needed. Are you gonna fly at an AMA event with the plane sometime? Better put them numbers on or make allowances to do so.

OTS and Nostalgia aren't rulebook events but the contest itself IS an AMA event, your CD filled out the paperwork and submitted the documents stating that they would verify that everyone is complying to the safety code.

From somewhere near Parkville, Mo.
William Crane
AMA 6733

RCPAUL · Dec 03, 2003 06:19 AM

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You must have the AMA numbers or name and address on or in the model or you risk not having AMA insurance no matter where you fly! It has nothing to do with AMA events or non events or if just sport flying.

Paul

otshodges · Dec 03, 2003 08:54 AM

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Since I am the CD for the upcoming KOI, I wanted to get a definitive answer to this question. I just sent an email to Steve Kaluf at AMA HQ and ask for the "AMA" answer to this question. If and when I get a reply, I will post it here.

Bill Hodges

Elwyn · Dec 03, 2003 09:35 AM

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If someone were to join the AMA through a local club during a contest, what would they have to put on their plane to be legal to fly at that contest, if this is even possible?

captcurt · Dec 03, 2003 10:52 AM

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If it is not an AMA sanctioned event, say, just fun flying, and there is an "incident", could AMA refuse insurance coverage since the plane was not properly labled with name or AMA #??

I thought ALL planes flying under AMA insurance needed the ID.

Curt

parisjm · Dec 03, 2003 08:37 PM

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>If it is not an AMA sanctioned event, say, just fun flying,
>and there is an "incident", could AMA refuse insurance
>coverage since the plane was not properly labled with name
>or AMA #??
>
>I thought ALL planes flying under AMA insurance needed the
>ID.
>
>Curt

Curt,
How many RC guys have their AMA number on their airplanes? How about the scale guys would they have to have their numbers visible on the airplane? It is a good question since I would guess that most of the AMA members are just sport RC flyers. Guess I had better number up my RC stuff.

John

wcrane · Dec 04, 2003 08:30 PM

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Everyone at my RC fields has them, it's required to be in compliance with AMA insurance.

There is a provision in SCALE that says all your information has to be in the airplane. This is so the person who incurrs damage do to the airplane knows how to get in touch with the person that the airplane belongs to. Ultimately, the owner is responsible for the safe operation of his property. Legal stuff you know.

From somewhere near Parkville, Mo.
William Crane
AMA 6733

parisjm · Dec 04, 2003 08:44 PM

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William,
It is great that everyone has their numbers on their airplanes. Generally I do not fly at the local RC fields, but when I have, I do not remember seeing clearly marked numbers on the aircraft, but they certainly could have had them inside. That should keep the AMA happy.

Thanks for the clarification on the Scale Models. I have seen a few compete and seen pictures of others in the various mags, but have never really spoken with a pilot about the requirements.

John

bearcat8 · Dec 05, 2003 07:57 AM

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OK whether or not it is required or not ,My Viking has it on the top Rt wing . Look at the pictures on topic 6882 the Rebel 2003. the transparent green with Dianna Cream . The numbers are there , there a Teal color.

dirtydan · Dec 03, 2003 01:05 PM

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Snipped a bit.

OTS does not have a BOM, so numbers might not be applicable if permanently affixed.....generally, those judging OTS know the flyer and get the numbers onto the right score sheet.

Almost by definition, OTS aeroplanes are eligible for Classic, and there is no BOM there, either.

Interesting question. I believe that if the model is identified per the general rule book. Since OTS and Classic are not official AMA classes, I interpret that numbers aren't needed.

See Ya

Peabody

I love this forum! Somebody asks a reasonable question and one of our Nationals-level judges gives not one but two incorrect answers.

Maybe Peabody (or, preferred, someone who actually knows of which he speaks) can help us all out on the answer to another question:

When I loan an OTS model to either Chris Cox or Don McClave and they beat me with it, can I then file a protest referring to the fact their AMA numbers are not on the model they flew in competition?

Okay, there is a serious side to this issue. And I am actually interested in knowing the answer, as both Keith Varley and I are (way too) generous in offering OTS models to our peers. Potential insurance complications? Violation of the "AMA numbers required" rule?

Remember, for purposes of this discussion we are only talking about OTS. Further, my model of course has my AMA number on it. But no AMA or MAAC numbers of anyone else.

Dan

peabody · Dec 03, 2003 02:11 PM

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Dan...read my post.....I put AMA and personal info INSIDE the model, as per AMA regulations. This is to provide compliance with the book in the event of a fly-away and damage.

While there are seven official PA classes, OTS nor Classic are
not amongst them. They are unofficial, and as such, no BOM (I know about appearance points, but they can be left off in every level without causing ineligibility).

I stand by my previous statement....and so, apparently, does our AMA.

Your CiC "We want results in every single classroom so that one single child is left behind." Little Rock, Arkansas, Nov. 10, 2003

See Ya

Peabody

dirtydan · Dec 03, 2003 02:19 PM

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>Dan...read my post.....I put AMA and personal info INSIDE
>the model, as per AMA regulations. This is to provide
>compliance with the book in the event of a fly-away and
>damage.
>
>While there are seven official PA classes, OTS nor Classic
>are
>not amongst them. They are unofficial, and as such, no BOM
>(I know about appearance points, but they can be left off in
>every level without causing ineligibility).
>
>I stand by my previous statement....and so, apparently, does
>our AMA.
>
>Your CiC "We want results in every single classroom so that
>one single child is left behind." Little Rock, Arkansas,
>Nov. 10, 2003
>

And I stand behind mine, thank you very much.

The answer to my question is?

By the way, how does it feel to be the one single child who was left behind?

Also by the way, have you been able to consolidate your feces when it comes to advertisers and Stunt News for the next issue? It must be so disheartening to see people resort to posting on Stuka Stunt because their advertisements weren't placed in one or two previous issues.

Dan

SRiese5283 · Dec 03, 2003 05:57 PM

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>>Dan...read my post.....I put AMA and personal info INSIDE
>>the model, as per AMA regulations. This is to provide
>>compliance with the book in the event of a fly-away and
>>damage.
>>
>>While there are seven official PA classes, OTS nor Classic
>>are
>>not amongst them. They are unofficial, and as such, no BOM
>>(I know about appearance points, but they can be left off in
>>every level without causing ineligibility).
>>
>>I stand by my previous statement....and so, apparently, does
>>our AMA.
>>
>>Your CiC "We want results in every single classroom so that
>>one single child is left behind." Little Rock, Arkansas,
>>Nov. 10, 2003
>>
>
>
>And I stand behind mine, thank you very much.
>
>The answer to my question is?
>
>By the way, how does it feel to be the one single child who
>was left behind?
>
>Also by the way, have you been able to consolidate your
>feces when it comes to advertisers and Stunt News for the
>next issue? It must be so disheartening to see people resort
>to posting on Stuka Stunt because their advertisements
>weren't placed in one or two previous issues.
>
>Dan

DAN.... BAD DAN.
What the HELL..o dose your responce have to do with OTS and AMA Numbers.
AS I asked this question many years ago at the Seattle SKY RAIDERS Round up I got this ANSWER..."NO" "ONLY AMA PA HAS TO HAVE NUMBERS ON THE WING". If this has changed from four years ago I'll have to put numbers on my planes. SO lets go back to the question from BIG JOE.
Joe the rules say that you must have your AMA or ADDRESS in your model for ins. This was set up for FF, RC, Rockets, and Gliders. WE as STUNT people have to read between the lines. I know of no CD that will tell you, "you can't fly OTS or CLASSIC because of no numbers on your plane."
It is suggested that ALL PERTINENT AMA REGULATION COVERING THE FLYER, MODEL AND FLIGHT SHALL BE APPLICABLE. SO JOE if you want to add numbers go ahead. HOWEVER, at local contest BIG F*&^#%^& Deal.

Big Country Joe · Dec 03, 2003 07:52 PM

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Scott, hey man back off a bit, OK? Looks like you got something caught in the ringer.I don't think anyone has taken umbridge with this thread!
On another note, the Great Intergalactic Fun Fly and pig out is on for Sept 16 through the 19th, and includes some nightime flying under the lights.

Joe

Humor..God's gift to us to keep us from making sausage out of each other daily.

Steve Helmick · Dec 03, 2003 09:19 PM

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The green rule book sez "For event 322, 323, 324, 325, 326". Under that it sez under 2.3, "All models shall be identified by the contestant's AMA licence number permanently affixed to the upper side of the right-hand lifting surace or to each side of the fuselage or vertical stabilizer. The height of numerals shall be at least one (1) inch (25.4mm). Both stroke and widthshall be such to enable ready recognition." Etc.

That doesn't apply to F2B, but that would be covered under the FAI rules, because their rules require your national abbreviaton in front of your numbers. Our national abbreviation has been changed recently. Instead of "N", I think it's "US". It doesn't mention OTS and Classic, or P.40, 1/2a, Leprechaun, or dozens of other non-official events. Usually, those events regs ref. to the AMA rules in some way, and I would take that to mean license numbers would be part of the requirements. Many years ago, I was required to apply AMA #'s to my models with a magic marker, or I would not have been allowed to fly in the contest. I think there are several good reasons to put them on, and none for not having them.

As a CD, I really don't see any justification for NOT requiring the AMA license number be on the wing, fuselage or fin. If it's an AMA Sanctioned Contest, plan to have your numbers on the model. Scale models are the only ones that can legitimately get away without the numbers on the model...they have to have all that on a slip of paper tucked away inside...don't know if it's got to be accessable or not.

As for having joined AMA on-site, thus no number issued, then I'd guess you would be "Number 1", until notified otherwise. That's not a good thing, IMO. As in, "Scott, you're number 1"...no, not good.

Now, Joe, tell me about the "Great Intergalactic Fun Fly and Pig Out". The usual, who, what, why, where, & when. If you send me the info, I'll put it on our website "events page". Also, if you want to send me your pictures, I will crop, compress and return them in under 50kb, so you can post them yourself. Steve

http://www.nwskyraiders.com

Big Country Joe · Dec 04, 2003 10:32 AM

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>
>Now, Joe, tell me about the "Great Intergalactic Fun Fly and
>Pig Out". The usual, who, what, why, where, & when. If you
>send me the info, I'll put it on our website "events page".
>Also, if you want to send me your pictures, I will crop,
>compress and return them in under 50kb, so you can post them
>yourself.

Steve
>
>
Steve, What started out as a conversation between myself,Scott and Mike Hazel has grown and has come to frutation with a 4 day control line get together in Waitsburg in Sept. There will be no entry fee, no awards, no judging. This invitational even is open to the entire Galaxy and is simply a sanctioned event to just come and fly, eat and have fun. The eating includes your opportunity to have either or both of a fresh Salmon bake on site (well 250 feet away from the flying area)to a Buffalo roast about a half mile away near beautiful downtown Waitsburg on Sunday. We will also have the lights turned on Saturday night for those that wish to fly under the lights.
We will have two softball fields to use, each with fencing and bleachers for the multituds that are planning on coming simply to watch.

Steve, please send me your E-mail add so I can submit some pictures.

Joe

Humor..God's gift to us to keep us from making sausage out of each other daily.

Elwyn · Dec 04, 2003 11:14 PM

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We've actually had a couple of occasions where a flyer joined the AMA at a contest. The last time it was a local flyer who had visited us at the field a few times and decided to enter a contest. The other time I think it was another local flyer we would see about once a year, usually at contest time, who had let his membership lapse.

SRiese5283 · Dec 03, 2003 10:31 PM

#25 source

>Scott, hey man back off a bit, OK? Looks like you got
>something caught in the ringer.I don't think anyone has
>taken umbridge with this thread!
>On another note, the Great Intergalactic Fun Fly and pig out
>is on for Sept 16 through the 19th, and includes some
>nightime flying under the lights.
>
>Joe
>
>
>
>Humor..God's gift to us to keep us from making sausage out
>of each other daily.

NAHHHH I was just in a bad mood this afternoon. Pain pills no work today. I’m just sitting here in my cave and thinking about someone I could stir up. Sorry Joe and DAN.
So now I got to go put numbers on my OTS that has no numbers…for the past five years.

Scott(^#@%)Riese

faif2d · Dec 03, 2003 09:09 PM

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>
>DAN.... BAD DAN.

I see that I will have to read Dan's posts much more closely to see if the good Dan or bad Dan is doing the posting.:)

T.Durrill · Dec 04, 2003 12:45 PM

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O.K.,
How many people here have flown an OTS event in the last year without having an AMA number on the plane? What has been your experience?..................T.Durrill

De · Dec 04, 2003 02:54 PM

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>A primary question has been left hanging:
>
>When another flier borrows my OTS model, my AMA number is on
>it, his is not.
>
>What is the ruling on this? Are there any possible
>complications to be aware of, to deal with?
>
>Yes, I know we could scribble his number on my model. We
>don't. Should we? And why?
>
>The number on the outboard wing is there for two reasons:

1. AMA Safety rules.

2. Insurance. A slick lawyer could make something out of it. What, I don't know, but I don't think you would want to find out.

you could scribble your friend's AMA number (1" high) on a piece of
tape and affix it to the wing, and it would then be legal. (imho)
The AMA safety rules don't put a limit on the number of AMA numbers that can be on a wing. If the tape fell off, then it would no longer be legal.(imho)

SRiese5283 · Dec 04, 2003 06:01 PM

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So if I lay a paper with my AMA Number on the outside wing, pull test, start engine, remove paper with AMA Number, fly, land, put paper back on, I should be ok RIGHT?

Scott(what you have to do to fly a FUN EVENT)Riese )>

Jim T. · Dec 04, 2003 06:58 PM

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The AMA general requirement is for the OWNER's number. See my post above. See also the quote from Steve Kaluf.

Steve Helmick · Dec 04, 2003 10:05 PM

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I can see several good reasons to have your number on your model. If you let somebody fly it, their number does not have to be on it, because you are the one going to court if somebody gets hurt...it was your model that did the damage. Same deal as your buddy driving your car, while you're on the way to a contest. Your insurance, but if he did something reckless, then he's the one that goes to jail. If you don't have insurance, you get your license pulled, not your buddy. I have not seen a lot of good reasons for not having your AMA numbers on your airplane. I think the main points are to show who owns it, is responsible for it, to identify it if it gets lost/misplaced/stolen and to show that the owner is a member of AMA and thus insured, if there is an accident. The reason not to put your numbers on your model? I don't see a good one. Don't ever recall a CD or even ED doing model inspection, but maybe the Pit Boss would step up to the plate. Steve

SRiese5283 · Dec 05, 2003 12:15 AM

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SO WHAT'S THE ANSWER?
YES.. it has to be
NO.. you can if you want to

wcrane · Dec 05, 2003 03:17 AM

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Per Steve Kaluf at AMA HQ:
"The AMA Safety Code states your name/address or AMA must be in or on the aircraft. However, it would not have to be displayed as required by the Competition Regulations."

Yes for AMA however it doesn't have to be, as far as AMA is concerned, to be on or in the airplane as listed in the Competition Regulations, just as in the General Safety code, item #5

5) I will not fly my model unless it is identified with my name and address or AMA number, on or in the model. Note: This does not apply to models while being flown indoors.

When flying as an AMA member, you are required to comply with the General and Control line regulations as listed in the Safety Code, then by any OTHER requirements specified by any event you may be flying in.

From somewhere near Parkville, Mo.
William Crane
AMA 6733

Circle Burner · Dec 05, 2003 07:26 AM

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The answer is simple, No your AMA number is not required to be displayed on the outside of the model to fly in a contest. The BOM thing requires it but OTS is no subject to appearance points anyway. A CD cannot require you to have a AMA number on the outside of your model. That being said, I think the number looks good on th3e outside of most models!

Think of scale, when is the last time you saw a P51 taking off in Muncie in the scale contest with the AMA number on the left wing? The same rule applies, the AMA number is inside the model. There is no special provision for scale, they follow the same rule.

No further discussion required on this subject, the rule from AMA is clear and it's been this way forever. Name and AMA number can be built inside the model and be 100% legal per the AMA safety code.

John

SRiese5283 · Dec 05, 2003 11:28 PM

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>The answer is simple, No your AMA number is not required to
>be displayed on the outside of the model to fly in a
>contest. The BOM thing requires it but OTS is no subject to
>appearance points anyway. A CD cannot require you to have a
>AMA number on the outside of your model. That being said, I
>think the number looks good on th3e outside of most models!
>
>Think of scale, when is the last time you saw a P51 taking
>off in Muncie in the scale contest with the AMA number on
>the left wing? The same rule applies, the AMA number is
>inside the model. There is no special provision for scale,
>they follow the same rule.
>
>No further discussion required on this subject, the rule
>from AMA is clear and it's been this way forever. Name and
>AMA number can be built inside the model and be 100% legal
>per the AMA safety code.
>>John

SO now I have to build a TAKE A PART Plane to fly OTS or Classic?

Scott(we could be here awhile)Riese

De · Dec 05, 2003 11:55 PM

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Scott,

Not having an ama number on your wing is like breaking any law. You are ok until they catch you. So, don't put the ama number on your wing. But if some cd will not let you fly without it, you have no complaint coming.

SRiese5283 · Dec 06, 2003 01:48 AM

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>Scott,
>
>Not having an ama number on your wing is like breaking any
>law. You are ok until they catch you. So, don't put the ama
>number on your wing. But if some cd will not let you fly
>without it, you have no complaint coming.
>
>

DEE...I know the answer. HOWEVER, you can see that were about 50-50.
EVERY PLANE I own has #'S on. But I didn't put them on my All American BECAUSE I was told OTS dose not have to have them on. AND The person that told me will not answer here.
SO It looks like I have something to do this winter because all of the NW CD'S now say I have to.

Scott(I smell dope drying)Riese

SRiese5283 · Dec 07, 2003 12:19 AM

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DON'T LET THIS DIE.....

Scott(eys gotto no)Riese
Well Punk in all of the commotion I plumb forgot, was it five shots or six……

Steve Helmick · Dec 06, 2003 12:05 AM

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>>The answer is simple, No your AMA number is not required to
>>be displayed on the outside of the model to fly in a
>>contest. The BOM thing requires it but OTS is no subject to
>>appearance points anyway. A CD cannot require you to have a
>>AMA number on the outside of your model. That being said, I
>>think the number looks good on th3e outside of most models!
>>
>>Think of scale, when is the last time you saw a P51 taking
>>off in Muncie in the scale contest with the AMA number on
>>the left wing? The same rule applies, the AMA number is
>>inside the model. There is no special provision for scale,
>>they follow the same rule.
>>
>>No further discussion required on this subject, the rule
>>from AMA is clear and it's been this way forever. Name and
>>AMA number can be built inside the model and be 100% legal
>>per the AMA safety code.
>>>John
>
>
>SO now I have to build a TAKE A PART Plane to fly OTS or
>Classic?
>
>Scott(we could be here awhile)Riese

Frankly, I think this notion of "a note inside your model" was probably written when there wasn't much going on except R~C. Could be wrong. But face it, it's pretty useless, isn't it? I guess you could always just stick it up your exhaust, Scott.

Anyway, I sent the question to Dave Gardner, Craig Bartlett and a few other CD-types around our area, that you might have an official encounter with...didn't send it to JT, tho. Dave and Craig agree with me, the numbers have to be on the wing, vertical stabalizer or fuselage (both sides, except the wing), 1" tall, etc. None of us see why BOM has anything to do with it. It's the owner's registration number. Even if he's not flying it, his insurance is going to be responsible.

My Humongus died without having numbers...but then again, it was never entered in a contest. The Mutant has my AMA # on the top and Dirt's on the bottom! What's with that? Yeah, most combat models don't ever get AMA numbers, and while I think BOM is supposed to apply to Combat, it obviously doesn't work there, and nobody cares.

FYI, my brother has some horror stories about FAA inspectors whining about the Pawnee towplane having numbers that were just a tad ragged looking. Not a big deal to a real human, but give a Gummint O-Fishul some authority and a black SUV to drive, and lookout. PLEASE don't put us in the position where we have to dial 911. Steve the CD

wcrane · Dec 08, 2003 03:08 AM

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Moron alert.

How many times do I have to type 'on or in' before I see the 'on or in' statement in the General rules.

On or in, don't gotta be on the wing.

We apologize for the inconvenience .

Nice looking plane BCJ, glad you stuck with trying to put the picture up.

From somewhere near Parkville, Mo.
William Crane
AMA 6733

Big Country Joe · Dec 07, 2003 11:45 AM

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Deleted

Big Country Joe · Dec 07, 2003 05:43 PM

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Once again after swearing a bit about how dumb I am.

Humor..God's gift to us to keep us from making sausage out of each other daily.

Steve Helmick · Dec 07, 2003 06:26 PM

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Joe...what's with the zip file? The compressed jpeg I returned to you should post just fine. One issue I have is that the attachment posting screen doesn't all show up at the same time, so you have to scroll down to see the bottom of the page, and you can't maximize it, at least I can't. I would add, that you could/should go back and edit your original post, delete the attachment and add the new one that you hope will work.

Steve (Are those numbers 1" high?) Helmick

Big Country Joe · Dec 07, 2003 08:18 PM

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Steve, the sip file was the only way I could get anything to work. Will try again now with jpeg
Did everything I was told to do, so lets see if it works.
Joe

Well, as you can see Steve all I get is that little box, no picture.
To heck with it. By the way, the #'s are 1" according to the package they came in.

Steve Helmick · Dec 07, 2003 08:57 PM

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We'll see if this works. Maybe you did something weird when you saved the jpeg to your computer. Dunno what that could be.

Steve