65 ounce Legacy

I'm looking for a fuel syringe that is larger than 5 ounces which is the largest size I can find at my usual sources. Now that I'm flying some engines larger than 40 size, it would be nice to fuel up with one go of the syringe. One with markings that didn't come off on the first exposure to glow fuel would also be an asset. I know the Jett Tanker is larger than 5 ounces but was designed and built to do a little more than fill simple tanks making it a somewhat pricey for my purposes. Suggestions, anyone, anyone?

Best, Hoovie

Dan had a metal syringe that he imported from Russia. It holds about 5oz I think. This is from memory as I haven't used it in 4 years or so.

Switch to a Ketchup Pump...it is possible to measure your fuel load with them. Or, you could fill the tank with the pump and pull out the excess with your syringe. Lots of guys use ketchup pumps around here, and some others use the hand crank fuel pumps, too. I tried a search, but could not find the old thread on the subject, but maybe somebody else can provide a link to it. Steve

When I get a new syringe, I use clear packing tape to protect the markings. Do this when you get a new one and it will stick permanently.

GO to your VET. and Get you’re self a vaccine syringe about $2 bucks You can get them to 10 oz…

Scott

If you can find a country store that carries the large syringes used to vaccinate farm animals, you'll find what you need.

>If you can find a country store that carries the large
>syringes used to vaccinate farm animals, you'll find what
>you need.

Oh sure beat my by a min.
Scott

>>If you can find a country store that carries the large
>>syringes used to vaccinate farm animals, you'll find what
>>you need.
>
>Oh sure beat my by a min.
>Scott

Looks like three minutes....

>>>If you can find a country store that carries the large
>>>syringes used to vaccinate farm animals, you'll find what
>>>you need.
>>
>>Oh sure beat my by a min.
>>Scott
>
>Looks like three minutes....

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One min here in Oregon

Scott(just had to do it)Riese

>>>>If you can find a country store that carries the large
>>>>syringes used to vaccinate farm animals, you'll find what
>>>>you need.
>>>
>>>Oh sure beat my by a min.
>>>Scott
>>
>>Looks like three minutes....
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>006 to 007
>Post 4 and 5
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>One min here in Oregon
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>Scott(just had to do it)Riese
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Oh yeah, I see....OK, I beat you by one minute instead of three!

Chad (have a good one) Hill

>If you can find a country store that carries the large
>syringes used to vaccinate farm animals, you'll find what
>you need.

Does anyone know of a web site or mail order house that sells this large vet sryinges for these prices? The largest I have been able to find is 2oz.

Bob:
I've ordered the 140cc Monoject syringes, item # 8881114014, from Health Related Products, P.O.Box 3465, Greenwood, SC 29648-3465 by the case of 20 (the only way this supplier sells them)for about $4.50 each and then shipping is added to that. Their phone number is (800) 845-4566. Nice people, easy to work with. Comes out to about $5.00 each; the downside is that you have 20, but I usually have no problem finding people within the club to take them off my hands. I also use clear tape over the numbers to protect them and I also pull out the piston after the day's flying and clean the fuel residue from the rubber and also the cylinder's inner bore and store the two parts separately until the next flying session. Works much better.

David

The Jett syringe is expensive but worth the money. The only thing that wears out is the O-rings which can be easily replaced. The plunger itself if made of aluminum with machined rings that measure fuel in 1/4 oz increments. After using the Sig 5 oz units it was a little weird at first to pull out 5 1/2 oz of fuel and still have room for a lot more, but it does make the fueling easy.

I have one and you ain't getting it from me!

Duh! What do we mean by expensive?

3+ times the price of a Sig 5 oz unit

A light weight aluminum non repairable Bimba air cylinder works great. You can get them any size your want. I have a 2" diameter by 8" stroke cylinder. I think it will hold about 14 ounces of fuel.

>Duh! What do we mean by expensive?

Click on the button that says "RO-Jett Engines". It has all the pipes, mufflers, test stands, and other useful items, in addition to the engines.
http://www.us-aero.com/cgi-local/Enter.pl.cgi

Gary, the problem with the air cylinder is that you can't measure the fuel load you're putting aboard. Minor detail for sport flying, but important for contest work. Steve

What is a "B

Get the tanker. Worth every penny. Will never wear out either like a syringe since the o-ring can be replaced.

Doug, Steve, and I. That's all we use.

'Zilla....
another thing about Richard's fueler is that it comes with a full page of instructions!

I'm still partial to the Moonie's stuff, especially the sign saying "Fuel Pumps, Just Like Windy's Only They Don't Leak"......great stuff.

See Ya

My biggest beef with the SIG 5 Oz is not just having to take a second fill to do the job, it's also all the black rubber in my fuel filter when the plunger reaches the end of it's first season of use! If the Tanker is $30 and the Sig is $11, Sounds like I'm getting a Tanker ASAP! I've been through a bunch of the SIG's in the last 5 years! How much $$ are the O'rings to replace?? I'd assume I could order them at the time of purchase with the Tanker? (never hurts to stock up)

PS: Edit - I just checked the WEB link above, and saw it -> Tanker Overhaul Kit $5.00 - Now, it sounds like more than just a couple of O rings when you say it like this, hmmm.... but hey, it's still only $5.00.

Eric, My personal tanker is 5 years old and no signs of needing repair. The plunger has 2 viton o-rings and this is the 5.00(2.50 ea.) price. If the o-rings are kept moist with a little fuel or oil left in the tanker it will never in your life time wear out. If you need one and catch me at a contest I would give you one. The 5.00 helps pay for the time of packaging and sending out product.
Richard Oliver
Ro-Jett Engines

I've had the same problem with the markings coming
off when exposed to fuel. What I've done with the last two
i've had was to spray directly over the markings with
Top Flite Lustrekote clear. Once dry I've never had the
markings come off again.

Before fueling that first time, wrap the syringe with clear plastic tape. That protects the markings. Also before putting the syringe away, pull the plunger out about half an inch. Then next time you use it, PUSH the plunger in first. This will keep the rubber from coming off the plunger. I picked these ideas up from Dee Rice, who learned them from Jake Moon.

Steve,

The 5-ounce syringes I had made in Russia are indeed very good pieces. Aluminum piston with "O" ring, aluminum tube and operating rod, Teflon plug at top for smooth operation.

Unfortunately, I sold the last of these several years ago. And your initials must be "PW" in order to borrow one of mine.

I think Steve had the best advice, and that is to switch to a ketchup pump. While I was real surprised, they will easily fill a bladder. Assuming one has all the fittings and fuel lines installed rather securely...

Were I to be needing a syringe--and I still carry them for various reasons--the vet drive-by is a good option, as is the Tanker from RO-JETT.

>I think Steve had the best advice, and that is to switch to
>a ketchup pump. While I was real surprised, they will easily
>fill a bladder. Assuming one has all the fittings and fuel
>lines installed rather securely...

The reason I gave up on my "ketchup pump" was very simple.

I was at the 2003 Nats. I was fueling for an official. I was pumping the tank "one, two, three" as I had done a million times. Somebody yelled and asked if I had pulled my lines yet. I assurred them I had. I went back to pumping.

Was I one three or 2 pumps? Oh NO!!!!

I was really shaken up!

I immediately switched to the tanker.

>
>>I think Steve had the best advice, and that is to switch to
>>a ketchup pump. While I was real surprised, they will easily
>>fill a bladder. Assuming one has all the fittings and fuel
>>lines installed rather securely...
>
>The reason I gave up on my "ketchup pump" was very simple.
>
>I was at the 2003 Nats. I was fueling for an official. I
>was pumping the tank "one, two, three" as I had done a
>million times. Somebody yelled and asked if I had pulled my
>lines yet. I assurred them I had. I went back to pumping.
>
>Was I one three or 2 pumps? Oh NO!!!!
>
>I was really shaken up!
>
>I immediately switched to the tanker.

Sometimes this is just too easy.

Godzilla, by your own testimony you had given the pump three hits; the next would have been four. I am very disappointed in you.

But you're right, this same sort of thing has happened to me, and so in actual practice I depend upon the ketchup pumps for virtually all practice and sport flying, much of my competition flying, backed up by the good old syringe(s).

And you didn't mention another factor: Mixing four-stroke fuel on the fly in the Tanker, definitely a Good Trick, and one which I have adopted as my very own. (You are *never* given credit, by the way.)

OH give me a break............You got to be focused when you pump fuel. That’s why Paul Walker walked out to my handle and took it off the lines BECAUSE I was focused.
If your at the nats and you have your plane in the circle and someone asks you if you pull tested, ask the CD or judges for some more time, remove fuel and proceed. After flight, bitch slap the person that asked you if you pull tested. Do you think anyone talks to PAUL, TED, BILL, DAVID, just before a flight at the NATS?

Scott(it's got to be real)Riese

>OH give me a break............You got to be focused when you
>pump fuel. That’s why Paul Walker walked out to my handle
>and took it off the lines BECAUSE I was focused.
>If your at the nats and you have your plane in the circle
>and someone asks you if you pull tested, ask the CD or
>judges for some more time, remove fuel and proceed. After
>flight, bitch slap the person that asked you if you pull
>tested. Do you think anyone talks to PAUL, TED, BILL, DAVID,
>just before a flight at the NATS?
>
>Scott(it's got to be real)Riese

John Leidle twice spoke to David Fitzgerald immediately before David flew. What are generally viewed as negative results were noted both times.

A couple months ago, I asked PW why he waits to fuel until he's out on the circle. I guess that would be one time when nobody's going to be yammering at you? Anyway, Paul graciously told me that he didn't want the engine to flood or fuel to drain out, etc., so that's why he waited until just before starting...which is what I figured. Nothing was said about tightening the prop or re-installing the spinner, tho. Hmmmm. ;/ Steve

PS: <CHOP> "....twice spoke to David Fitzgerald immediately before David flew. What are generally viewed as negative results were noted both times. Dan" 'O3 NW CL Regionals? I have seen David fly several times, and been very impressed. This year, I thought his corners were WAY soft. I figured he was doing World Champs ("Euro Judges") corners, vs. "Win THIS Contest Corners". I doubt that it was John's saying anything. Mike and I agreed on David's corners being too soft (for our tastes). Gordon (while we are critiquing) was pulling out too high on the last corner of the squares and triangles, and then diving to the correct bottom height. I'd like to see that dialed OUT next year. Gardner may not let me judge ever again!

Boy! Are you guys a tuff crowd. The 5 ounce fueler is the biggest bang for the buck out there. Sure the letters rub off after a while and the rubber goes to hell in three or four years, so you buy a new one Geeezzzz.

The reason that we got the 5 ounce fueler was when I was flying ST.60’s and was putting 7 ounces of fuel in the model each flight. It was a pain filling the 2 ounce fueler 4 times just for a flight.

I switched to the ketchup filler for a long time and always filled the tank fully and then pulled a measured amount of fuel out with the 2 ounce fueler. That way I knew just how much fuel was in the tank and didn't have to worry about the numer of pumps of fuel that I put into the tank.

Ketchup Fueler?
What?

>Ketchup Fueler?
>What?

Sigh. Not again, puhleeezzee!

Steve, are you sure you can't dig up that old thread? We had pictures, my input was *fabulous* as always, you even ended up with a Ketchup Pump By Dirt to use in A) Slathering barbecue sauce on your McRibs at the Roundup, B) Dispensing sun tan lotion for proper and extensive application to the backsides of the many Pit Tootsies we have at our contests, C) Refueling the Mutant Magnum.