Stuka Stunt, a nice place to "hang out"

"What is the SSCLF?"

The way I see it, Stuka Stunt is a cybernetic hangout, where we meet old (and new) friends, make friends, talk about stunt and also any kind of BS that comes to our minds.

We can even exchange insults in heated arguments, just like it would happen in a bar.

Maybe len should provide us with some digital beer and pranuts to whet our words...

God bless you all!

n Christ,

I prefer to think of it as a subject-dedicated user-built information resource. Every post is an addition to a web archive of knowledge intended to be viewed through a web browser window (as opposed to the pages of Stunt News). Which means we can include animations, sound, images and most powerful of all, links to our words.

Which is why taking the time to include a link to some other post you refer to rather than just mentioning it--and sending all future readers on a search--is a nice bit of information etiquette.

And why long personal exchanges, incomprehensible inside jokes and wildly off topic posts are nothing more than noise cluttering up the signal, IMHO.

Every stunt (and to a degree C/L) question, every clear answer, every set of cropped and captioned pictures detailing a project or an event add to the value of the information repository. Each provide a slightly firmer foundation for others to build on. Each discussion a contribution to the information base that others can read at their interest and learn.

The extent to which my notion of the SSWF is a user contributed knowledge base in which it is easy to find what you are looking for depends upon the thought process of each poster. Those who want to just 'chew the fat' are cluttering up the place with irrelevant palaver.

IMHO

The World Wide Web is a vast and wonderful place and Google is a very effective way to find the answer to any question you might have on virtually any topic. The value of SSWF is related, I believe, to the extent that it maintains a focus. If one has a problem with, say, printer drivers, then a quick trip to Google to search for the name of the printer, the OS and the word "driver" will reward the seeker with a long list of possible webpages containing the answer.

One would not, to extend your analogy, walk into a bar and say "Does any one here have a distributor cap for a '63 Rambler coupe?" and expect to get a positive reply. Nor is it useful to sit on a stool in the Auto Parts Store drinking beer and strewing peanut shells all over the floor asking the customers if they have heard the latest Jackie Gleason joke.

So I'm in favor of nuturing and developing the information archive aspects of the forum.

But that's just me. SSWF is not specifically any of the analogies used.

It is what everyone who posts here makes it.

And those who come to visit get what we all leave behind.

Perhaps they will enjoy any kind of BS that comes to our minds....

Somehow--assuming they came to learn of control line and of stunt, I doubt it.

Cy.

I agree 100%!

But, thinkin' about it, sometimes (for yours truly) it is a way to learn and to share whatever knowledge I have gained, and on other moments it's just like I said, a place to talk BS, make friends, etc.

I don't think that SSF is that prone to suffer from any "clutering" by the non related talks and subjects.

The day this happens I'll make sure I won't be harming in any way the first porpouse of this forum.

BUT, I must confess, I'll miss the fun!

George,

I don't drink anything near my keyboard.

I became strict with this thing in Finland, when I bought my first computer, a Mac Classic.

I sat by the keyboard, opened a can of beer, and the doggone beer was kinda compressed (the can might have been dropped) and I got the creeps when I saw my brand new computer's keyboard covered with foam!!

Since then, no food or drinck on the 'puter room...

God bless you!

In Christ,

Iom

Depends on what kind. Diet soda pretty much leaves no residue. Regular cola is a nasty mess. I don't necessarily recommend this, and you are on you own if you want to try it, but at work we run into the "coke in the keyboard" issue all the time. We just take it loose, go over to the sink, and just run hot water through it for 5 minutes. Once it dries out, good as new - usually. We have even soaked them overnight with good results. And used isopropyl achohol in extreme cases.

It's not as crazy as it sounds. When they make stuff like this, they used to use Freon to clean it up. Of course, they had to switch to something else, and now it's deionized water. It's actually better than Freon as a cleaner, the only problem is that it takes a lot longer to dry. But plain old tap water is pretty much OK, and while there might be something in there that doesn't like the chlorine, it hasn't seemed to have manifested itself.

It's nice to be able to experiment with other people's equipment! Turns out we ended up saving tons of overhead costs, because computer support just replaced them at maybe $10 a peice.

You don't wanna teach me how to save $$$ on Mac 'puters.

Them apple guys down here can clean YOU up, and without guns.

Years ago the ONLY apple dealer in Rio was having the time of his life. We nicknamed him "Escadinha", (equivalent to Al Capone in the US).

My CD-ROM drive went bad (it's one of those that "suck" the disk, like the ones in cars) and the dealer wanted to sell me a new one for only..

............... 250 bucks!......... ...

I just took the darned thing apart, stripped it of it's shell, and I use it by placing the disk by hand (it's all exposed now) putinG the magnetic "top" over it and restart the machine (I'm too slow to risk having the disk fly like a UFO).

As a matter of fact, I just need it for booting, the Iomega USB burnin' drive I have relies on the HD to operate, but for any other uses it's good.

One keyboard went bad, the circuit had been interrupted, and I took it apart, found the broken part and re-did it with silver paint.

My gather is a physics researcher, and he taught me how to escape from the claws of manufacturers and distributors.

He's been fixin computers since the best one was a VARIAN ASSOCIATES machine as big as my living room, 64 kb RAM (!) and paper tape storage of data.

God bless,

Ion

OH, YEAH, MR. ESCADINHA ALSO HAD A PRINTING BUREAU SERVICE, AND HE USED TO GIVE AS A "GIFT" THE SCREEN FONTS TO DESIGNERS.

The guy would use the fonts (they were hot stuf in those days) and would have to print at HIS place.

BUT, one fine day they sold a Mac SE/30 they had, and forgot to wipe the fonts from the HD.

About 1,500 fonts were there, screen and printer fonts.

I made sure every mac user in town got all them fonts...

Don't forget the "links" that are more in the realm of friendship, at the risk of transforming Len, Brett, Zilla, Dan, Larry C. and F. Currell, and all the gang into lifeless computer chips.

>Which is why taking the time to include a link to some other
>post you refer to rather than just mentioning it--and
>sending all future readers on a search--is a nice bit of
>information etiquette.

Cy, it deems that you are looking for a kind of efficiency we don't need, and at the price of a lot of good things that take place here.

>And why long personal exchanges, incomprehensible inside
>jokes and wildly off topic posts are nothing more than noise
>cluttering up the signal, IMHO.

Come on, Cy, I think the "signal" can take it...(IMHO)

>Every stunt (and to a degree C/L) question, every clear
>answer, every set of cropped and captioned pictures
>detailing a project or an event add to the value of the
>information repository. Each provide a slightly firmer
>foundation for others to build on. Each discussion a
>contribution to the information base that others can read at
>their interest and learn.
>
>The extent to which my notion of the SSWF is a user
>contributed knowledge base in which it is easy to find what
>you are looking for depends upon the thought process of each
>poster. Those who want to just 'chew the fat' are
>cluttering up the place with irrelevant palaver.
>
>IMHO

Cy, I'm not going to be the judge of what is irrelevant and who's words are so.

>The World Wide Web is a vast and wonderful place and
>Google is a very effective way to
>find the answer to any question you might have on virtually
>any topic. The value of SSWF is related, I believe, to the
>extent that it maintains a focus. If one has a problem
>with, say, printer drivers, then a quick trip to Google to
>search for the name of the printer, the OS and the word
>"driver" will reward the seeker with a long list of possible
>webpages containing the answer.

Well, Cy, I wouldn't have been able to locate the site Brett tipped me about on a simple google search (of which I'm an avid user), just in case you think the help I asked for was out of order.

>One would not, to extend your analogy, walk into a bar and
>say "Does any one here have a distributor cap for a '63
>Rambler coupe?" and expect to get a positive reply. Nor is
>it useful to sit on a stool in the Auto Parts Store drinking
>beer and strewing peanut shells all over the floor asking
>the customers if they have heard the latest Jackie Gleason
>joke.

Of course nobody would expect to find auto parts at a bar, but SSCLF is NOT exactly a bar.

And digital beer and peanuts won't get the SSCLF floors dirty, first because there is no floor, and second because digital beer has no foam, won't get you drunk, and digital peanuts have no shells.

>So I'm in favor of nuturing and developing the information
>archive aspects of the forum.
>
>But that's just me. SSWF is not specifically any of the
>analogies used.
>
>It is what everyone who posts here makes it.
>
>And those who come to visit get what we all leave behind.
>
>Perhaps they will enjoy any kind of BS that comes to our
>minds....
>
>Somehow--assuming they came to learn of control line and of
>stunt, I doubt it.
>
When I first discovered SSCLF the scene was the same as today, and I have been helped a LOT.

The inside jokes, the heated arguments and all the non related stuff never got in the way.

God bless ya!

Ion (want some peanuts?) Muniz

If I could filter out the extraneous yadda yadda, the inside jokes, the sometimes inappropriate communications that appear every now and again, in short, everything that's not related to the worthwhile exchange of information and ideas relevant to control line flying, then I'd be browsing a focussed and potentially valuable, or at the very least, interesting interactive information resource that will assist me to be a better builder, finisher and flyer.

Lost count of the number of threads and posts I have copied and filed away as a great reference... my own personal encyclopedia!!

That's the reason I come back to Len's great forum on a regular basis - lerve that pure sweet control-line stunt...

Peter O'Keeffe

>And digital beer and peanuts won't get the SSCLF floors dirty...

It's a shame you can't follow an analogy.

It's exactly my point is all this mindless drivel you enjoy so much DOES get in the way of the rest of the folks trying to find the real information posted here. We have to wade through photos of snowstorms, recipes for cucumber and onions and a LOT of stuff that belongs on email to get to a gem like Al Rabe's thread on Flap Construction or Igor's work on Electo Stunt.

Just because you love all kinds of random thoughts and ideas doesn't mean they have a place in the forum.

>The inside jokes and all the non-related stuff never got in the way.

Not in the way of your perception that this is some kind of glorified chat room.

But that does not mean it doesn't get in the way of other users.

>Ion (want some peanuts?) Muniz

No.

I don't.

I feel so honored to merely be occupying the same cyberspace as a purist.

Look, I've said this before, but this forum is, to me, merely an extension of conversations which take place at the CL circles or in our shops.

As these conversations are never linear in nature, I don't expect the conversations here to be either.

Human nature is a wondrous thing, made all the more wondrous and glorious when we run into someone who would like nothing better than forcing us to mind our Ps and Qs, to shuffle on down the pike without ever having a random thought to share with our peers.

My suggestion is to call Tom Dixon. Referencing his letter in current Stunt News, the two of you have some things in common.

Incidentally, when posting my recipes for cabbage soup and marinated onions, I gleefully muttered to myself that you would not like it. Yet another reason to do it.

Careful now! I've got lots and lots of recipes for really cool Stunt Dude and Stunt Dudette food. Love to share 'em with everybody and seeing you foam at the mouth--or at least the cyber equivalent to same--merely encourages me to do so.

leon99;)

Careful there, pardner. I was born where you now live.

I also feel that this is like going into a local hobby shop, which I don't really have anymore and running into friends and passing the time of day about airplanes and various subjects. I have not exchanged posts with many on here but I also feel that I know something about them through their postings.

This continuous whining about things that are off subject needs to cease. Most of us are grown - some hold very prestigeous positions in corporations, some are self employed such as myself, some out of work or whatever, but most are not so puffed up with pride that we want to police this forum. If anyone can it is Len and he doesn't seem inclined to do so regarding postings that are of no harm to anyone.

If anyone has a particular problem with the kind of things that someone posts - then don't click on his posting - that's simple enough. No-one has to wade through anything. I don't read every post - some subjects don't interest me.

Kreth McKee

You may not post often, you lurker, so it is my job to take up the slack for you.

Good post, incidentally; your view is pretty much the same as mine.

I have gone back over the contrary input seen here and in other posts and it occurs to me that what is being asked for by some is the equivalent to herding cats.

Now I don't know about you or anybody else on this forum, but personally I do not know any successful cat herders, have never even heard of a retired cat herder, so maybe it is an excersize in futility.

Like getting the hugely varied personalities on this forum to shape and **do as I say**. Or else...

Dan

P.S. An edit because that recipe truly is outstanding; I urge you to try it as soon as possible.

Kreth:)

I am taking my life in my hands by responding; do keep an eye out for the CyberCatHerder, if you will.

Say, you've become quite the prolific poster: Two in one day!

I generally avoid the traditional "dollop of sour cream added," leaning your way with rough 'n tough breads, albeit those available at local--but slightly upscale--food market.

All this is making me hungry. From the last batch of soup I have nearly a gallon in the refrigerator. Think I'll run home and nuke a quart. Or two.

And these jealously guarded bread recipes will appear where? And when? Always open to trying something new...

I am becoming concerned with the "velocity" of the posts. Items posted now are frequently wind up in never-never-land (second page, or worse) in only a day or two. the next time I spend a half day composing something I think conveys useful information, complete with photos, and it makes it to page 2 in one day will be the last time I waste time with a thoughtful post.

One way this can be avoided is to offer comment when you think someone has posted something neat. Your comments will keep the topic "alive" long enough to be available to anyone interested. My post on Snaggletooth 2 progress died in two days with about three hundred views. Then someone made some comment and it was off again for more than a thousand views before dying again. Even I agreed it was time for a decent burial. The post contained what I thought useful information on building and a bit of lore about Mustang flying. Maybe I'm just an egotist, but for the effort, I thought it deserved more than three hundred views.

PPPPTTTTHHHHHHHHHHEEEEEWWWWWWWWW <rasberry>

We prefer the term "ego professional".

Love ya

Brad

If I see a juicy post of yours loosing space I'll just post someting on the thread and it'll come bck to the front page.

I really enjoy this forum and all the great help everyone has given me..

I had set the number of posts per board to 50 to speed things up, but I understand your frustration. So, just for you Al (don't you feel privileged) I upped the number to 60. See how that goes for a while. If ya'all think we ought to increase it higher, I can do so. I have a feeling that a lot of people aren't aware that this thing goes into page 2 and 3 and 4 (and 58 and 59 and)