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DesignMan · Dec 17, 2003 07:34 PM

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LAST EDITED ON Dec-18-03 AT 07:06 PM (CST)
 
Just to get a feel for the intermediate size stunt model areas, I plotted up a bunch of different successful designs, and darned if they didn't fall in a pretty good order! For a model of average wing loading FOR ITS SIZE, the formula is:

Wing area = 186 + (940 x displacement)

so for a .15, Area = 186 + ( 940 x .15 ) = 327 sq.in.

+10% for a light model, and -10% for a heavy one. Simple, no?

The models used went from the Pinto to LA Heat with some popular .35, .40, and .60 models in-between.

The ARF Flite Streak surrounds this line when you go from a .19 on one side to a .25 on the other.

Larry Renger
think S.M.A.L.L.

Serge Krauss · Dec 18, 2003 04:52 PM

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Larry-

This is a neat idea and could have answered several questions posted here recently - at least within the ballpark. It is interesting that you chose a straight line as the best fit curve for your data, but since we most often run detuned engines, a theoretically based choice of curve shape might be futile anyway, especially as power varies as the cube of the speed. I wonder though whether the areas aren't a bit low for larger, newer engines, especially for high-reving, low-pitched .25's, which probably fall outside your 10% margin. In your opinion, whould it be useful to set different equations for "modern" or perhaps Schnurle types run fast vs. "old" and/or flapped vs. unflapped - or is that just too much fuss? I'd enjoy reading your comments on assumptions you made concerning the various designs and engines.

SK

Serge Krauss

DesignMan · Dec 18, 2003 07:06 PM

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Basically, I took the data I could easily find on RSM and Brodak's sites, and plotted the wing area against the probable engine choice.

For more modern, higher performance models, you would, indeed come up with a different line. I was surprised to see it so linear, I figured I would at least need log paper to get something sort of straight. It does curve sharply downward at the low end, and in fact, I did a whole new chart for .010 (Heydon's Lil Bit) through .06 size models (Baby Pathfinder and Meek's P-51)and got a completely different formula:

Area = 53 + ( 3450 x displacement )

Rather a different slope to the curve, nearly 3 times as steep!

The small models are not as highly developed as the big ones, so the data is pretty unlikely to represent optimized models. Garbage in, garbage out

Larry Renger
think S.M.A.L.L.