Thinking of proposing a change...:)

Now this is not to get anyone's feathers in a ruffle but just an idea I had based on something I have been doing for a while now.

I heard about Randy Smith's Hourglass in the heavy winds on Friday 03. He actually did the top of the Hglass in front of the judges at 5' from what I hear. I heard it was a real wild one.

Of course I had to try it just for fun. It was very hard to do it that way but I did it a few times and we got some laughs out of it.

Then I started doing the overhead eights with the top at 90 as the book says then putting the outer edges of the loops at 5'. It makes the loops very large and it is actually really hard to fly it that way until you get used to it. But it is so much FUN to fly the overheads this way.

I was actually thinking of proposing a change to get the maneuver described and flown this way. It would be really cool. All the maneuvers we fly now are realatively the same size. This would add a whole new element.

Besides it is so much fun to fly them this way. Not to mention hard to hit 5' on perfectly opposite sides of the circle each time. Try it a few times and see.

What do you all think?

Perfect!

And sure not to "ruffle anyone's feathers"!

See Ya

Good thinking!! something like I was trying to get at with the Millenium pattern idea a few months back. Put some challenge and fun into FLYING the maneuvers.

Now try some walking loops- eight interconnected loops, all around the circle, two in each quadrant.

There are lots of challenging maneuvers that aren't in the current pattern and they are a lot of fun to fly. Skip the reverse wingover and fly the whole pattern in one half a lap, with no breaks or level laps. With a little bit of creativity you can get from one maneuver to the next.

Is there any reason, within the local club structure you have over there, why a club could not hold their own competition, using whatever pattern they choose?

I recall, back in the good old early 60's days when a group I belonged to set up our own comp and used the then AMA pattern because the then FAI was just "old hat". Admittedly, this was to increase the standard of flying at the time, but the same could apply to "novelty" patterns and routines and, as you say, put some fun back into flying.

My opinion!!!! BBBHHPHLTHHHLTH!!!!

Bigiron AKA Marvin Denny

Merry Christmas ALL!!

B

If "BBBHHPHLTHHHLTH" is an acronym, I'd love to know what it stands for?

Marvin.

That is a great opinion... I take you are not in favor of this idea...???

LAST EDITED ON Dec-20-03 AT 11:23 AM (CST)
 
For Ken D, No it is not an acronym. It is the sound that is emitted when one sticks his tongue out and then places a few drops of Jalopina pepper juice on it and then tries to blow out the fire.

to Doug
Yeah--- sure--- absolutely--- uh huh---yep-- I think it is really a GREAT brain storm. Trouble is, I do not like storms of any kind.

Bigiron

(That is a no, I don't like it)

LAST EDITED ON Dec-21-03 AT 04:49 PM (CST)
 
I'd go for it, if you got rid of the BOM.

Teehee, just thought I'd get your thread hotter there Doug.

Actually, along the same lines, I started doing what I called the Bow Tie, a Horizontal Eight done like the Hourglass. Enter it from the left side of the manuever, straight up, over and down through the intersection to the lower/right hand corner, push verticle to the upper/right corner push to descending line to the lower/left side. Repeat again and fly out of the lower/left corner at 5'. Not as hard as what you were talking about, but I was just screwing around not posting it on a BBS.

Come on Doug, I have enough trouble as it is

Bob? .. Have you changed your email addy? (off topic I know but while he's watching)

Nope, the one here is my main email address, just checked and it is correct. I have messed up and just discovered I had several unread messages in my private message folder from way back. Never noticed the little icon at the top.

Doug;
To further not agitate anyone what about this

Take a page from the full scale aerobatics. Come up with a larger set of maneuvers for use. Using the nats as an example, fly the standard pattern for qualifying, friday could be freestyle and Saturday could be an unknown pattern. The pattern could be announced friday to give the pilots a chance to practice it. At a local contest you could fly just the standard pattern, round 1 could be standard round 2 freestyle, etc.

This would mean each stunt would have to be given a K factor and a minimum total factor would be required for a pattern, but not used in deciding the winner. The required total could even be different for each PAMPA level or the standard pattern at each level could be different.

As you mentioned doing the pattern a little different is fun and challenging. From a spectator point of view it would be more interesting as watching the same pattern time after time can get boring.

Back in the real old days you could add a manouver and the end of your pattern for the EXTRA points. Just add it after the clover. SO lets get about ten differant manouvers and propose the "ADDED MOON"

scott

LAST EDITED ON Dec-20-03 AT 11:34 AM (CST)
 
don't you get the feeling they will be inconsistent with the rest of the pattern?

lemme try to viusalise it more...

Ion

SMLE MINUTES LATER...

Winter has definetly arived...

No I dont think there will be inconsistancy. It is just using the whole hemisphere. I think it would be a cool addition to use the whole hemisphere at the end like you do at the begining on the WO.

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>What do you all think?

I'm calling a MULLIGAN on this one!!!

I'm going to start practicing my 90 degree overheads on Jan 1st. Heck I think I was already doing 60 degree overheads !

LAST EDITED ON Dec-21-03 AT 02:09 PM (CST)
 
I am with you Doug! It would be nice in the off season to do some cool maneuvers at a local level for sure. Like a Triangle clover? I am sure we could all come up with some cool ones! I think it would also be a way to separate some of the scores instead of the ones we get now where there is only 3-5 points between places. If the maneuver is hard enough some will blow it, even the great ones. In R/C Pattern it has gotten difficult enough that some of the guys are complaining that there airplanes won't do it. Some of the old designs will not but this is why new designs come out all the time. I love the Idea of flying unknowns. I flew them in IMAC(R/C)and again this is what sometimes separate the scores. This is not now and maybe never for the national level but come up with something for Dallas and I'll go for it!
Richard Oliver

PW,

Give it try next time you are out. It really is a cool way to fly the overheads. The plane looks so good making those really nice big loops and the intersections are awesome.

One of the hardest parts is flying the first loop right down to 5' It is easy to get it to 7 ro 10 but getting it to 5 right on the first loop directly below where the int is is tough. As you do the other ones you can work your way down. The 45 degree mark where the bottoms are supposed to be now is just floating out there. They are not nearly as defined as the 5' bottom is. Not even close. You can be off now but keep it consistant and get decent scores. If you miss 5' it is a very noticable mistake. I think it is actually a little harder to get consistant bottoms with the maneuver flown like this. It is also easy to see if it is round from the outside. You can see when someone is fishing for the bottom.

Whatever it is it really fun to fly.

Richard,

I would love to have this in a local contest. I guess I need to approach the CD of the next one to see if he would go for s achange of some sort just for fun. I hope people want to go for it.