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Ron · Jan 26, 2004 09:35 AM

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The Beginner Class Pattern document on the new Pampa web site (great job, by the way ) shows a "half loop into recovery inverted" for the inside loops. There doesn't appear to be an inverted flight requirement... Why the half loop to inverted? Is there an outside half loop to upright somewhere? Or just exit the inside loops in normal upright level flight?

Is there a requirement or recommendation for some number of level flight laps between maneuvers?

Oh, by the way, I suspect that the description of the wing over probably should not have the word "reverse" in it

Alan Hahn · Jan 26, 2004 09:44 AM

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I think you are right. You don't need to do the inverted two laps. However as a beginner, the thought of diving into the start of the outside loops was so terrifying, it seemed easier to go ahead and learn the inverted level laps!

Ron · Jan 26, 2004 09:49 AM

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>I think you are right. You don't need to do the inverted two
>laps. However as a beginner, the thought of diving into the
>start of the outside loops was so terrifying, it seemed
>easier to go ahead and learn the inverted level laps!


Yeah, Me too! But I thought the 45 deg elevation entry point was required. Is an inverted entry to the outside loops acceptable?

Bigiron13 · Jan 26, 2004 09:55 AM

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The AMA rule book allows the beginner pattern outside loops to be entered in either of two ways. one, flying upright, enter the outside loops from a 45 degree elevation and dive toward the ground, and the second method is by doing a half loop to the inverted flight condition and enter the outside loop from inverted flight level of 5 feet and do the loops starting at the five foot level and going away from the ground. That entails doing the first part of a lazy eight (half loop) and going into the outside loops. that also requires an additional half loop at the end of the outside loops to get back to the upright flight condition.

I hope this confuses you enough. (G)

Bigiron

Steven Yampolsky · Jan 26, 2004 12:00 PM

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OK, you cought me. :d
I could not find a picture of the inside loop maneuver with the recovery into level fligh so I stuck the picture from the regular pattern.

WANTED: Picture of the inside loop maneuver that shows recovery into level flight.

Steven Yampolsky

Bigiron13 · Jan 26, 2004 12:09 PM

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The pictures of the beginner pattern, outside loops (both methods) are shown on page 59 0f the current AMA rule book and explained in paragraph 5.1 on pages 60 and 61. That should do. (I hope)
Bigiron

Ron King · Jan 27, 2004 03:10 PM

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Good answer.

I highly recommend that everyone try to learn to enter the outsides from inverted flight. That's the way we will do it when we graduate to the full pattern.

Those who saw me do the "Dive of Death" at last summer's Brodak contest can attest to the possible result: it looked like an open parentheses "(" and sounded awful. Busted prop, spinner, and bent crankshaft. Thanks to the heavy rain, the plane was still flyable.

Enjoy,

captcurt · Jan 27, 2004 03:40 PM

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The opposite side of the coin on this is that I believe beginners that learn to do outsides from upright have an easier time overcoming the fear when learning outside squares later on.

Also, one does precisely the same flight path in the second half of the horizontal 8.

It's all in our heads!

Keep after it tho--which ever way works.

Recent grad

Curt

WINGWALK · Jan 27, 2004 04:29 PM

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At the KOI this year I did both. First from the 45 in the 1st round. From the inverted the 2nd. Truth be told I was going to do them from the inverted in the 1st but I was so nervous I did the inside loops and ended them upright. And to think I was worried about never have done an over head eight before. LOL

It was great fun and I can't wait to do it again.

Kirk Wicker