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Bill Little · Jan 28, 2004 08:55 PM

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Being a "closet PDQ freak", I got a set of Circus King plans from Barry Baxter. Quite nice plans as a matter of fact!
I have an original Circus Prince, and a Brodak Super Clown and Circus Prince.
I am wondering if any of you can share your experiences with the "King" or Lion Tamer. (Barry has plans for the "Tamer", too, which I "plan" on getting)
Thanks!
Bill <><


Disclaimer: I am neither a NATS Champion (yet), professional engine reworker, engine producer, column writer, Hobby Shop owner, *rockeet* scientist, nor otherwise. Just an old Advanced flier.

william davis · Jan 28, 2004 10:00 PM

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Bill,
Not familiar with these,..any pictures,


William Davis

Bill Little · Jan 28, 2004 11:23 PM

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Hi William,

Wake up!! hahaha.... there are pictures of both of these on the brochure of PDQ kits you posted.
The Circus King was a competitor with the Ringmaster, and the Lion King was a tricycle gear built up fuselage. I guess it was PDQ's "Super Ringmaster".
Bill <><


Disclaimer: I am neither a NATS Champion (yet), professional engine reworker, engine producer, column writer, Hobby Shop owner, *rockeet* scientist, nor otherwise. Just an old Advanced flier.

Kiwi · Jan 28, 2004 11:04 PM

RE: PDQ Circus King#2 source
Circus King stories? It was the first "full size" plane I built, in mid to late 1951, maybe mid to late 1952. I had a used Torp 29 for it, and I was advised before building it that I'd soon wreck it beyond repair, so copy / trace off all the parts on the back of the plan to make repair parts and/or scratch- build a replacement.

My first one was covered in silkspan, applied dry, and never shrunk on with any water. It was pretty baggy. The red Testors nitrate dope didn't shrink it much. The (Testors) fuel proofer that went on top of that was nasty stuff that stayed sticky as long as the finish lasted, and attracted dust/lint like crazy.

I put a Perfect tank on it, with Veco's 1 7/8" streamline wheels, and used OK Cub glow plugs, Francisco Blue Blazer fuel, and Top Flite's 9-6 wood props. My lines were Pylon, on a large cardboard reel, and my handle was a (red) Hot Rock from Phillies Hobby Shop. My pit box was a metal tackle box that I painted in my school colors later (red and blue).

I had it for almost a year before there was more glue on it than there was balsa between the globs of glue. I built two more of them. One was all black Aerogloss, and one was a better red than the first one - Aerogloss again. Those two had a new Torp 35 on them (same one, each of those two came and went faster than the first one -- already trying Combat in 1953 or 1954).

Between the first one I owned, and a Ringmaster Jr, I learned insides, inverted, outsides, horizontal eights, and overhead eights.

There were a half dozen other young men in a club I was in; it was the Jeff Aces MAC, and most of the other boys used Fox 35's on their Ringmasters. I thought that both engine and plane were way too ugly compared to my Torps and Circus Kings.

The only Lion Tamer kit I ever had is the one I have right now, in my stash, "to be built some day".

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Kiwi

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shholt · Jan 28, 2004 11:27 PM

RE: PDQ Circus King#4 source
Like Kiwi, the Circus King was my first "big" airplane. Power was a McCoy SuperStunt 29. It was all red AeroGloss with a coat of spray on fuel proofer for gloss. Crude construction, but it did shine. Fuel tank was a Froom T-21C which was standard for just about everything in the early '50's. Flew much like a Ringmaster, but was a much better looking airplane due primarily to the shape of the vertical and horizontal tail. I have a kit and a McCoy, so plan to re-create that old original. The main difference from the Ringmaster was that the fuselage was split down the wing centerline so it was much easier to get a good fuselage/wing joint. We started cutting the Ringmaster fuselages after seeing the Circus King. I suspect that PDQ used the split fuselage to save money. Kit price was $2.50 which was 45 cents cheaper than a Ringmaster, almost enough to buy 2 Top Flite props.

Steve

The older I get, the better I used to fly!

Crash2much · Jan 28, 2004 11:44 PM

RE: PDQ Circus King#5 source
Bill, funny that you would mention the Lion Tamer on this post as I had one offered to me tonight. It kinda reminds me of the funky Ringmaster Sportster.

Bill

I have no claim to fame, I build more planes than I fly, collect more kits than I build. That about says it, right?

James C Johnson · Jan 29, 2004 12:07 AM

RE: PDQ Circus King#6 source
I believe this plane didn't hit the market until 1954. All the ads seem to start around this time and America's Hobby Center started to carry it. I have one in the garage that was built with the bellcrank under the wing externaly. I don't think it was ever flown as the engine holes don't have the black on them that happens from vibration. I was under the impression that this plane is not legal for OT competition. It would be nice to know if this plane is much older than the ads. It sure looks like a Ringmaster with different tail feathers. Jim J

Phil Hawkins · Jan 29, 2004 05:45 AM

RE: PDQ Circus King#7 source
The Circus King is a Matt Kania design. (Yup, the same guy who designed the Ringmaster) It has the same airfoil as the Ringmaster but is only 38" instead of 42" (WS that is) I have one complete kit (man is it rough wood!) and one partial (missing wing) I have not decided yet if I am going to order a Ringmaster wing kit from RSM or scratch one or maybe even go with a Lincoln Log style... I have an OS .26 FS already converted to C/L just looking for such a plane....Hmmm...according to Bare the Circus King flys better than it's cousin RM. I sure like the looks of it a whole lot more betta' Good question... Is this OT legal?

I've also been toying with the idea of going 120% and sticking a .40 on the front if it.

P.S. I had the chance to compare Bare's plan with the kit... He has it right on. No "artistic liberties"

Phil Hawkins

Currell · Jan 29, 2004 07:49 AM

RE: PDQ Circus King#8 source
The Circus King, Super Clown and Ringmaster all were designed by Matt Kania, and fly more or less similarly. I have experience with the latter two. The King, with a slightly smaller span, could handle an Asian Rim Schneurle 20 without any problems.

Lion Tamers show up from time to time on ebay. Not the best looking ship in the world, but at least it is a full fuse job. Don't recall seeing any fly in the 50s.

Currell

Bill Little · Jan 29, 2004 10:32 AM

RE: PDQ Circus King#9 source
Hi Currell,
I plan on using a McCoy RH 29 on mine. I do like the looks of the King better than the Ringmaster. I have not seen a Lion Tamer, only the pics in the ads.
I presently have the Circus Prince (original PDQ - 40 years old) and a Brodak Super Clown which has a hybrid McCoy 29 RH.
The Circus King is a very simple build, and might even fly ok with a Veco BB 19 if built light.
I now wonder if it is OTS legal. (??)
Bill <><


Disclaimer: I am neither a NATS Champion (yet), professional engine reworker, engine producer, column writer, Hobby Shop owner, *rockeet* scientist, nor otherwise. Just an old Advanced flier.

robertc · Jan 29, 2004 10:43 AM

RE: PDQ Circus King#10 source
I too like several others, had a Circus King as my first "big" plane.
I bought it because it was the cheapest I could find. Ran a Johnson 32
on mine. Still have it.
I built a second Circus King from measuring the first in '96 to use in Old Time. Found out that the kit didn't come out until March of '53,
so it was not legal. (from Mike Keville)
The second one flew with a Fox 25 at first and then a Thunder Tiger 25.
Flies well. Had to use it in expert when my main plane lost a pushrod.
Still came in third

Robert Compton

Kurt · Jan 29, 2004 02:34 PM

RE: PDQ Circus King#11 source
I have a copy of Bare's plans for the Lion Tamer. I am going to build that one soon. I would like to get a copy of the original plans though. I would pay for copy/shipping charges. Is the original plans a full size plans sheet or is it smaller. What I really want is a copy of the root rib and wing tip.

Kurt

Bill Little · Jan 29, 2004 03:22 PM

RE: PDQ Circus King#12 source
>I built a second Circus King from measuring the first in '96
>to use in Old Time. Found out that the kit didn't come out
>until March of '53,
>so it was not legal. (from Mike Keville)

Hi Robert,
Well I can at least fly it in Basic Stunt (no flaps)!
Bill <><


Disclaimer: I am neither a NATS Champion (yet), professional engine reworker, engine producer, column writer, Hobby Shop owner, *rockeet* scientist, nor otherwise. Just an old Advanced flier.