foxberg racing

foxberg racing at brodak what are the rules and what planes are allowed and engines? clown racing what engines? and what is a p40 event i keep reading about ? thanks guys

Brad.....the Clown event will use the Northwest Clown rules, EXCEPTING that one 2" wheel may be substituted for two one inch wheels (makes better grass stuff). We also allow the Circus Prince.

Foxberg allows the four .35 racers originally done by Goldberg, with a STOCK FOX .35 and a Sullivan 2 ounce tank....I am awaiting written Foxberg rules, but will be happy to e-mail you the Clown stuff.

Pretty much these are FUN events!

See Ya

>Foxberg allows the four .35 racers originally done by
>Goldberg, >See Ya
>
>Peabody

Buster, Shoestring, and Cosmic Wind...what is the 4th one?

is the shoestring that sig sells ok its engine size is .10-.15 so you can put a 35 on it? peabody my email adress is [email protected]

Nope, only a carl goldberg model or a faithful replica of one of THOSE planes.

I have a tracing of a cosmic wind I belive (maybe the buster), if you want to build one before Brodaks. Of course the shoestring kit is still available, but expensive for what it is.

And by STOCK engine, that means everything. Can't even have a ST needle valve. I even tried a Fox 29, but was told that wasn't legal either. Not only a sullivan 2oz tank, but a SS-2 I believe.

Lastly, your lines have to measure 60' (I think), handle to center of airplane, so good to have those ready in advance. Plus or minus 6"?

I'm sure there's more rules, but these are big show stoppers with respect to equipment. Didn't make it (into racing) last year myself, but will this year!

Tools

P-40 is a profile airplane with a 40 or smaller engine flying the modern PA pattern.

LAST EDITED ON Feb-03-04 AT 10:52 PM (CDT)
 
Mike,
Two members of our club are top notch in Foxberg and NW Sport Racing. Every region seem to have there own fox racing or sport racing type rules. WAM just changed there Sport Race rules to use the stock Fox 35.

The secret is mostly in the engine. What most of the racers do is to use one of the newer fox 50th anniversary tappered piston and sleeve setup. You can't do any modifications, but you can mix and match stock parts. They put the newer piston in an old style case (without the muffler lugs). Break in the engine very slowly. Use an APC racing 9 x 7 propeller and you will be competative.

A competative fox racer is Brodak's own Super Fly. This model can be flow in both National Fox racing,NW Sport and WAM Sport.

Here are the rules for the NCLRA Fox Race. I don't know the exactly difference between the National rule and Brodak's Foxberg event.

http://www.nclra.org/Rules/index.html

Is the 4th Goldberg the P-40 Flying Tiger? Other than that, I am not coming up with a 4th model. Currell

NCLRA rules are for something called Fox Racing, not FoxBerg. The key rules are stock engine(the interpretation here is kind of strict. We always allowed any stock parts, no grinding on any basic parts, but substitution of gaskets, glow plugs, screws, and larger needle valves was OK), must fill the Sullivan tank through a plain 1/8 in. diameter tube(sometimes the old Sullivan round plastic filler button was allowed), readily available standard wood or plastic injection molded props-balanced only. Really, if the motors are use stock parts there is a limit to how fast they will go. If you really want to limit it, make it a claiming race- $79.95 buys the winning top three motors if anyone wants them.

We tried LA 25's with the stock .262 venturi and OS Needle valve last summer. Worked really well. They were right in the middle of the pack for speed and endurance. Makes a nice race engine since it doesn't vibrate and tear up the nose as much.

LAST EDITED ON Feb-04-04 AT 12:45 PM (CDT)
 
Not that I know, but I would be surprised if you couldn't fly Brodak's own Fox Racer. Are you sure it is FoxBerg, and not just Fox racing?

edit added, hmm I see from Brodak's site that indeed the event is called Foxberg.

I remember the original Goldberg Shoestring had a provision for a "clipped wing" version....... legal???
And I, too, am lost on the fourth one.
Bill <><

LAST EDITED ON Feb-04-04 AT 09:57 AM (CDT)
 
on the clown racing what setup are most people useing?

Peabody: Is it Shoestring, Cosmic Wind, Buster and P-40 Flying Tiger?

>Peabody: Is it Shoestring, Cosmic Wind, Buster and P-40
>Flying Tiger?
>
>Currell

Mr Peabody has either made a mistake in the number of CG kits allowed or he may be thinking of the inclusion of the Ringmaster that is sometimes allowed in some clubs Foxberg rules. I can't see anybody racing the CG P-40.

LAST EDITED ON Feb-04-04 AT 11:46 AM (CDT)
 
Attached are the Metrolina Control Line Society rules for Carolina Fox Racing. Thers rules apply only to the MCLS Contest in Huntersville, North Carolina . They are our adaptation of other region racing rules. A really fun event, catered to the novice racers.

>>Peabody: Is it Shoestring, Cosmic Wind, Buster and P-40
>>Flying Tiger?
>>
>>Currell
>
>Mr Peabody has either made a mistake in the number of CG
>kits allowed or he may be thinking of the inclusion of the
>Ringmaster that is sometimes allowed in some clubs Foxberg
>rules. I can't see anybody racing the CG P-40.
>
>regards,
>Rick "catdaddy" Blankenship

Nor can I. The wing is too big. Also, marketed as an RC (!?) model by CG.

Guys...a while back I was asked to assemble the racing rules for Brodak's Annual Event. There has always been some misunderstanding about what wll run and what rules will be used. So far, I believe that NW Clown and Foxberg are the two racing classes.

Foxberg, as I understand it, originated in Middlesex, NJ, and uses only the Goldberg kits or copies and stock Fox .35's along with the SS-2 tank from Sullivan flying on 60' x .015 lines. I am hoping to clarify all of this very soon....
It is my hope that John will supply the fuel...there is a 10% nitro limit in both Clown and Foxberg....

Something that I have found to be fun is to have 8 minute heats in Clown, and use a double elimination deal, with a 15 minute final.

See Ya

what would be a good set up as far as engines and tank goes for clown racing is any body useing bladders or back plate pressure or metal tanks ? thanks again

Clown Racing set up. I have seen in other forums Nelson 15 and Profi 15 or prehaps a Cyclon or Fora.....Hey if ya got on of those 500 dollar Team Race engines laying around that might be fun too?
What ever happened to it being a low budget fun thing? Sheeesh!
Steven Adler

I thought I noticed a comment (on the Brodak site) that these events weren't for the racing "pros". I am not sure if one becomes a pro by racing experience or by purchase of such items!

>I thought I noticed a comment (on the Brodak site) that
>these events weren't for the racing "pros". I am not sure if
>one becomes a pro by racing experience or by purchase of
>such items!

Those would be the "pros" and "cons" of racing, eh?

we have one of the old supertigre 15s they used for fai combat in the 70s maybe we will use it.

I am hoping John Thompson checks in here, as he knows what's hot, what's not in Clown Racing.

Seems to me the MVVS 15 glow motor is one of the hot tips. And it is pretty cheap. Old Nelson 15s get used as well.

Cyclon or Nelson finished 1 2 and 3 in the last thread I read.. I think it was a race in Florida. I do remember if you can't do 300 laps your not in the money.......

LAST EDITED ON Feb-05-04 AT 02:12 AM (CDT)
 
Always glad to respond to Dan's request for a contribution ...
In the Northwest, home of Clown racing (what a claim to fame!), all different engines have been used, from sluggy diesels to Cyclons and Nelsons. Most successful have been the Moki .15, which cost $55 when you could get it. They run like gangbusters. They are hard to find now. Fox .15bb also have been used with success, though they are not quite as fast.
The race is meant to be fun, and anything you want to bring out will cause you to have fun, whether you win or not. If you just want to have fun racing, bring out anything. If you want to go really fast, spend some money on an expensive engine. It's a matter of personal preference.
In the Northwest, we allow only Clown planes and only two-wheel gear (unlike some areas, as mentioned above). See the NCLRA's Delphi Racing forum for some discussion of all this. Also, NCLRA has adopted a set of national Clown rules, which are very similar to the Northwest rules but not precisely the same.
Caution: Be careful that your clown plane is legal. Don't go fiddling with the shapes and dimensions. Buy a kit from Brodak and build it exactly as it comes.
Glad to answer further questions.
Also (refining a comment above), when time problems are an issue, our Northwest short heat is 7.5 minutes, half of a full-length 15-minute race. The intent is to go the full 15 if there is time, to shorten it if not. We don't run double heats; if we have time for that we run one 15.
--jt

Phil sends this, which I wouldimagine is correct. I have a "hard copy" on the way and will have them available soon!

Hi Rich, just to keep history straight, FoxBerg originated with the
Harrisburg Aeromodeling Society and the Sky Lancers of Washington. The
original event it just as you said it and works very well. One of 3
Goldberg kits('String, 'Wind, Buster), SS-2 tank, 2in 2wheel landing
gear, and a Stock Stunt 35. Also 018x60 lines for safety. Only changes
to the engine- larger diameter NVA's allowed, screws, gaskets,
glowplug. No grinding allowed on engine parts.

See Ya

I just relooked at the Brodak Site. It does say that NCLRA rules apply. This means (AFAIK) that it isn't really a "FoxBerg" race, but instead is a "Fox Race". So you have a lot more than Goldberg planes to choose from---including Brodak's SuperFly. I think the basic idea is that the minimum wing area is 300 square inches, and that the plane must have pre-existed at some earlier date. Here is a link to the NCLRA Fox Racing rules.
http://www.nclra.org/Rules/NCLRAFoxRace.html

I have the FOXBERG rules in pdf format, along with Clown Rules. These are the rules that we will be using at the BRODAK contest, as I seem to be the ED. I have spoken with John and am considering having him provide the fuel, too. He has "Rich's Brew".

See Ya

hey peabody could you email me a copy of the rules for bouth events.

Brodaks entry form says "Foxberg Racing". In the past years it was the 3 Goldberg designs & 2 oz plastic tank. Others were turned away.

LAST EDITED ON Mar-29-04 AT 09:20 PM (CDT)
 
Well....instead of me filling the site with empty links, e-mail me at [email protected] and I will send you the rules.....even if you're Mac Challenged.

These are the rules that we will use for Foxberg.

See Ya