Dick Mathis Chizler Photos

Ok guy's I am trying to find a few color photos of the original Chizler by Dick Mathis. I would like the paint scheme to be as close the original as possible, but I can't find any pictures. HELP!!!!!!

If my memory serves me correctly, the original was done in total red silkspan. I think he used black tissue for the lettering as well. If what you need is photo's, then Wynn Paul is the guy to contact, he has pictures of just about every airplane that has existed out there when it comes Stunt History!

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In the magazine article in Flying Models and the photos I took at the 77 Nats, it was covered in Japanese tissue and the plane looked like it had been varnished, or a translucent red,66 version and clear or "white" tissue on the 77 version. Plus trim in various colored tissue, which makes sense when you understand that Fast Richard was into free flight big time, more so than control line. It is presented in the November 1966 Flying Models magazine. Richard stated that is nothing more than a modified Nobler, namely the fuselage, landing gear, wing tips. He stated that the original was a tranlucent cherry red, by painting Stearman red-dyed dope over red Japanese tissue. The one I photographed at the 77 Nats was more clear over white tissue and looked like it had been varnished, bringing out the natural grain of the wood.

For those that haven't seen it, here's Ted's Chizler.

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*That* was a rush job???? ^_^;;; Absolutely gorgeous.

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>Ok guy's I am trying to find a few color photos of the
>original Chizler by Dick Mathis. I would like the paint
>scheme to be as close the original as possible, but I can't
>find any pictures. HELP!!!!!!

Hello Mike,

The Dick Mathis Chizler was published in Flying Models, Nov 66. I have a photo from the 66 Glenview Nats that shows the airplane in its original finish as it was in the magazine. It was completely covered with red Japanese tissue with clear dope finish. (I do not know if he used red dye in his clear to enhance the color. He very well might have as the color picture I have from that Nats shows it as a very definite but transluscent red.) It had some black tissue trim in the form of fairly large numbers on the upper right wing, a fairly simple "lightning bolt" on the fuselage from just forward and above the flap hinge line to the rear of the fuselage above the horizontal tail. He had a stylised "The Chizler" in black tissue on the nose just in front of the wing leading edge. At that time, he used the wheel well covers on the landing gear struts like those used in the magazine article and what was shown on the plans.
He flew the same plane at the Los Alamitos Nats in 67 to second place behind Bart Klapinski but with a different paint scheme. I aske him if it was the same airplane and he said it was. Dick used the same airplane again at the Olathe Nats in 68. (He placed 8th at the "unusual" 68 Nats. This is the one when the Navy judges and the ED walked off of the field after the first round of the finals - which is a long story.) It had a red, dark blue and white color scheme and had some really nifty looking wheel pants that accented the aft fuselage shape. The airplane was mostly white, dark blue leading edges (wing and horzontal tail), lower fuselage was dark blue that wrapped around the nose behind the spinner. There was a red band between the white and blue. The color scheme also complimented the fuselage shape. Black AMA numbers and Chizler name on the wing.

There is more in my e-mail to you.

Keith,
Thanks for the photo's. I don't care what Fancher say's about you, I still think you are great.

Mikey

P.S. I think I will do the red one.

This is an interesting thread. Is Dick Mathis active in controline these days?

If anyone is interested, I can mail copies of the original 1966 article. There are really some unusual building and flying comments in the article. Lots of "this is the way to build this plane" that might raise a few eyebrows today. E-mail me and I'll pass on a set to you for $1 to cover domestic printing and mailing costs.
Joe

<[email protected]"

Joe

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>(He placed 8th at the "unusual" 68 Nats.
>This is the one when the Navy judges and the ED walked off
>of the field after the first round of the finals - which is
>a long story.)

Sounds like an interesting story. Mind telling us relative newcomers? What happened next?

Howdy, De.

Did you miss this one?

http://www.flightlines.com/forum/Forum6/HTML/001241.html

It appears to have the latest dope that anyone has reported so far.

Mike,
Check out photos of original Chizler on control-line.org. They were uploaded this morning!

Stephen,

Those three Chizler photos come to you from Mikey, who got them from Keith Trostle and Chris McMillen in response to this thread. Mikey asked me to upload them to the PAMPA site this morning.
As a PAMPA member and stunt enthusiast, a big THANK YOU for the great new web site!

Mike Gretz

Never mind then.

I got a set of plans for the chizler, and those photos came in handy!

Thanks for the Chizler pics! We do not have those in our archives!
Everyone has done so well describing the ever-changing Chizler!
Yes it was japanese tissue and yes he used red dyed clear dope. He said that the Nobler and the Chizler are great because they are "Good and slow".
The '77 version sounds like "Casper" I do not remember when we took it, but it was probably 1977 (Lake Charles?). I do not think it was intended to be white, but time ran out! This would be the one with the retractable landing gear that was supposed to be impressive enough that it would not matter!! (I could be totally off on that one - but I'm pretty sure it was the Chizler!)
He did say the wheel pants were on at least 2 - '66 article red version and the next one.
So far, the very first original Chizler has not been described!?
He flew it at the Dallas Nationals in 1964 (the last one in Dallas?).
He lost because of appearance! Now these notes I made over the phone are in purple crayon and he was rambling off details really, really Fast, so I'm not that confident that this is it's description or that of a later version!! Black fuselage with yellow tissue on something I cannot read (may start with an "S"?) and a black and red starburst.
So there you go. Way too much information on a subject that has already been exhausted! I took these notes last month, but my computer died the next day!

He stopped manufacturing kits after he cut finger on bandsaw. ("M&P", "Mathis & Peadon", became "Mathis and Parent",(Don Mathis) and finally "Dick Mathis Design Group".) As far as stunt goes I would not hold my breath! At least this forum topic got him talking - I do not think he will ever check out any of them, which is probably for the best, his ego is still too big! He still flew FF well into the 1980's. I may have gotten him to admit that he still thinks about Free Flight (no hand launch?!) He had back and knee operations. I want his grandson to to be as impressed by Fast Richard as all the rest of us!

They still treat me like I'm not old enough to be told where FR name came from!

Also: Is Bob Gieske still around? And info on Tom Peadon (Tommy-T)? (he was FF mostly)

>Also: Is Bob Gieske still around?
>

Mr Bob Gieseke is still very much involved in competition!
His latest designs are somewhat enlarged versions of "his" Nobler.
Suitably called "Bear". Still the same, great, gentleman!
Bill <><

Last time I heard anything about Tommy-T he was running a lawn cutting service and doing quite well. That would have been back in the 80's. Saw a Hysteria 1000 at a meet south of Fort Worth about 87 I think it was Hallims? I always thought that the wing construction on that series of free flight gas jobs was inventive. I have a pair of Pandemonium's that my Tee Dee's were not enough for. I should dig them out and put VA's on to see if they go any better. Those had the "crusher" fuselages made from 1/32 balsa. VERY good memories!

Her is his daughter's email, she is trying to get him back into modeling, Lexie Mathis Jones... Lexie
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I have sent her a msg. it would be good to get him to VSC!

>I have sent her a msg. it would be good to get him to VSC!

I did too, maybe we can get him cranked back up and flying again. Heck, we got Al Rabe back!

JAK

Got back a real nice reply and she had talked with her dad and mom and they both remembered my little side trip 30 years ago. It completely made my day!

>Got back a real nice reply and she had talked with her dad
>and mom and they both remembered my little side trip 30
>years ago. It completely made my day!

I got a very nice reply also. She is sure working on trying to get him back into it- from the tone of her e-mail, she may be able to revive his interest let's hope so, it would be great to have him back with us again.

JAK