A new idea about contests!!!

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Doug Moon · Sep 07, 2001 04:58 PM

I have a good friend that has been flying rc for along time(20+ years) He has taken up CL and loves it. He built a Buccaneer 746 and has learned the Begginer pattern. He normaly flys IMAC planes. You know the huge ones you see on the cover of every RC mag. The really big Extras and Edge540s standing on their rudders. They are the giants you see in the distance during the week of stunt at the NATS.(150cc Twins!!!) Cool stuff for sure. They think our stuff is cool too. I saw SN on one of the guys tool boxes. They love the finishes.

My freind was at an IMAC contest this past weekend and sat with the judges all day. They have two different contests in one to get their winner. They have a set pattern like we do. Then the next day they what is called the Unknown. About an hour before you go up you are given a list from the judges of the manuvers you will perform and in what order. They are given an hour so they can memorize it and get in in their heads how they will attempt it. This I thought was really cool. The manuvers the judges give them are written on a sheet and their are several different patterns. It is a random drawing as to what pattern you get. The sequences are all close to equal in difficulty. Their is a K factor. Some of the manuvers are not used in their set pattern so the element surprize is always lurking. I think this added event(Unknown)in stunt would be really cool. In IAMC they do the set pattern one day and the unknown the next. Also at their really huge contests they have freestyle. A pilot has a pattenr he has developed and it is given a K factor and graded accordingly.

I think something like this in stunt would be really cool.

I want to know what others think. So let's hear it.

Doug Moon

Tim McTigue · Sep 07, 2001 10:38 PM

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Doug,

I've always enjoyed reading about your exploits, and you always seem to have really cool ideas. IMHO, this one is no exception. Not that my oh-so-humble opinion counts for anything, but there it is. I think it would be AWESOME for this to be tried. On the other hand, the only stunt I've ever flown so far is a loop, and not very well.

Tim

MAAC 65703

Ty M · Sep 07, 2001 11:28 PM

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This sounds interesting. If this is tried out at a few local contests to get everyones feet wet, they just may like it, or just the opposite. I would love to see a surprise event using portions of the AMA pattern and a free style event with someone doing an outside, upside down triangle (apex at the bottom). I have done this by accident and put the apex about three inches under the grass. Neat, I got to build another plane. Any excuse.

Nils · Sep 07, 2001 11:33 PM

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I too have friends (father & son) that flew RC Pattern for years & are now flying CL Stunt & RC helicopters. They've sold all the Pattern planes & bought some Ukeys & we've been having a great time ever since. The dad has his first flapped stunter (profile Oriental set up pretty much like mine) ready to try out tomorrow.

I'm not sure how it would be implemented, but an Unknown pattern sounds like it would be a fun change of pace. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE to fly the pattern just like it is, but it might be fun to try maybe one contest a year with the first round flown normally & then hand out the pattern for the second round just before lunch. Maybe a low-key "fun fly" sort of thing. Flying an overhead hourglass with 5 foot bottoms on either side would be interesting to see & do. How about 8 sided loops? Vertical diamonds? I think the whole thing would be a kick. If someone held a contest set up like that in Oregon I would attend. I can see where this could be hilarious
Can I fly the Unknowns with my Bi-Slob?
Nils

Mark Mitchell · Sep 08, 2001 11:05 PM

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A pure freestyle routine sounds like the most fun. Maybe have a time limit, say 4 minutes, and you're judged on the total impact of your routine rather than a given maneuver. Might get a few more sport flyers into competition.

Old Sourdough · Sep 09, 2001 05:32 PM

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How about trying it at the C.O.L.D. Contest next year? That's in Oregon, isn't it?

The Old Sourdough
Ruksakinmakiak, Alaska, US of A

Nils · Sep 09, 2001 08:51 PM

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I thought of that OS, but I think I'd better get a few more "regular" contests under my belt before I start trying to get fancy

Nils

Scott Riese · Sep 08, 2001 11:44 PM

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MR Walker did a contest some years ago (BEFORE ME) You had to do the patteren in reverse order. Guess I was a Big hit.
MY thing is you get the four classes all together. Beginners start out with 400pt, Interm's 300, Advance 75, Expert 0, However there is no random order. ALL are treated as we are in the same food chain. NO low pickings. AND A B-R-QUE after.

Larry F · Sep 09, 2001 10:21 AM

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The freestyle idea really turns me on. I suspect that the top fliers could put on quite a show without the pattern constraints. Watching the finals at the Nats, anyone could see that the pattern was "easy" for them, and they all messed around a bit to empty the tank.

Some freestyle ideas might be:
* Overhead cloverleaf (impossible to judge!)
* Rolling O (A series of inside and outside loops all the way around the circle, ending up where you started. Wind favorable?)
* Touch and Go (fly a quarter lap on the turf)
* Angled eights (half a cloverleaf, but with only the lower right and upper left loops, and repeated)
* Split wingover (do a 90 at the top, and come back to starting point, and do the other half)

Larry F

mcm · Sep 09, 2001 10:34 AM

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LAST EDITED ON Sep-10-01 AT 05:16 AM (CDT)

In international stunt competition for real aircraft, they have an unknown (Thanks, Discovery Wings channel) where the pilot is given a list of maneuvers from the judges. Apparently, this is an extremely tough part of the competition. I've never been to a C/L competition, but will see my first one this month on the 29 and 30 in Tulsa. I think the Gluedobbers actually will have a freestyle on Sunday. The balloon bust is probably more my speed unless someone is impressed with a steady series of loops and wingovers. This field does not endear itself to touch and goes.

Nils · Sep 09, 2001 01:13 PM

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LAST EDITED ON Sep-09-01 AT 09:28 PM (CDT)

If you're going to try BALLOON bursting at a contest I suggest you practice a little first. It's not as easy as it sounds. All I ever managed to hit was the ground

Nils

Is that better Mr. Riese?

Scott Riese · Sep 09, 2001 08:47 PM

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You mean there were BALLONS......I though it was your flying

Nils · Sep 09, 2001 09:26 PM

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That must have been why I couldn't hit 'em, there wasn't enought "O's" in them there balloons!

Nils

mcm · Sep 10, 2001 09:46 PM

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Oh heck, if hitting the ground was judged, I'd be world champ. I think I would also place highly in the "Kamikaze" competition where the plane dives at me during high altitude maneuvers. I may not have skill, but I can still run pretty fast!

Bob Reeves · Sep 09, 2001 04:35 PM

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Mitch, The contest is the 29th and 30th...

mcm · Sep 10, 2001 05:16 AM

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change noted in above post

De Hill · Sep 10, 2001 10:14 PM

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Hey Dougie Moon!

We will have Freestyle Stunt Saturday, sept. 29 at Tulsa. Why don't you come up early and try it out?

De Hill