Anybody know what this plane is??

The year is 1948, the place is Lakewood, New Jersey. Thats my Dad with his first U/C job. I don't think he gets BOM credit today since his Dad built the thing. Dad remembers the engine as an O&R 60 Special, but has no idea whether the plane was built from a kit, plans or just totally made up. Anybody have any ideas on what it was? I think it'd be cool to make another one now, but a starting point for the model would help!

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They all sort of looked the same, back then. Probably what somebody in the future will say about current stunters, but my guess would be the Smog Hog. Or was that an r/c-freeflight design? Anyhow, SOMEBODY here will know, count on it.

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Your a little early for the Smog Hog a howard Bonner design for R/C about 1957.

I really don't know, but it has the "look" of a scaled down Berkley Buccaneer with all dihedral taken out. The rudder and fuse really look like it right down to the cabin bracing which in this case look painted on but were functional in the Buc.

For those unfamiliar, the Berkley Buccaneer was a popular free flight cabin design issued in 4 sizes I believe that was kited during WWII, perhaps even just before. The "Buccaneer 54" the "Buccaneer Standard" The "Buccaneer Custom" and the "Super Buccaneer". This was Berkley's MO but there were some variations. Really a pretty airplne in its original form.

Thanks guys for the info so far! I found a front view picture, too. You can see some sort of leadout guide on the inboard wingtip.

Just happen to have a copy of the "Controlog", a 10 cent catalog put out in 1947. It shows a model called the "TYRO" for $3.50 which appears to be the same design. Unfortunately this catalog does not name the manufacturer. From the looks of it I would guess it is a Matt Kania design. He also did the PDQ which was very similar in shape except it was a mid wing design. Maybe someone who still has a stash of 1947 magazines can find an ad for it as I can't recall who did these. Possibly Megow's but not sure, it's been a few years!

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Ron B.
F4Fguy

Don:

Close!It's a PDQ kit alright,but it's a TYRO,which,as I recall,was a Hal DeBolt design(I could be wrong about that).It must have been a handful with a"60".Mine had an Ohlsson .23 and flew very well.Of course,in those days flying at all was an accomplishment.A few loops and wingovers pretty well covered it.SPEED was the thing,some guys were doing over 100MPH!!.Gosh!I'm getting all warm and fuzzy!

Ron B.

Edit:PS:
Don:
Sorry,I misread your post.You got everything right except the designer.PDQ was a kit MFG.As I recall,DeBolt was either a partner or owner and contributed most of the designs .

It does look like the O&R 60 ignition engine I have.

Hey Curt!

When are you going to build an OTS plane? That O&R 60 engine would be perfect on a Super Duper Zilch or an All American. Walter has both of these kits. You would even get some extra points for running an ignition motor. Come on out and give OTS a try.

I'm just havin' too much fun bleeding on the edge.

Actually, I am building a classic plane. Haven't really gotten the OTS bug yet--but hanging on tto the OR 60 just in case.

I still have the O & R 60 that I learned to fly on in the EARLY 40s. It is still in good condition and runable. Got the ignition stuff for it too.

Bigiron

> I still have the O & R 60 that I learned to fly on in the
>EARLY 40s. It is still in good condition and runable. Got
>the ignition stuff for it too.
>
How much power did those suckers have? The plane my Dad had looks awfully small for a 60 size motor. It must have really hauled. My Dad does not remember how fast his went, but he remembers being terrified of the motor, between the tremendous racket and the fear of getting his 8 year old hand in the prop while fiddling with the timing lever. My Dad still has the instructions for the motor, but said as soon as Fox 35s were available he traded the O&R for one.

Ron B.
F4Fguy

Steve:

This is only from memory but,1/4 HP @ 7500 RPM is what I recall.That doesn't tell the whole story though.Typical props ranged from 10D-10P to 14D-6P.Those suckers had torque up the wazoo!They weren't too hard to handle,if you remembered to retard the spark for starting.Adjustment was a little more complicated,in that you had to juggle both spark and fuel(with a very coarse NV),but still not all that difficult.I think Jimmie P.has one.Talk him into firing it up,or,even better,the Hornet 60.

Hey Ron, glad to hear from you. I think JP just has a Brown Jr, McCoy 60 and the Hornet, although he may have more stashed under his bed or something. With him you never know!!!!

I'll have to ask him if any of the speed planes are left, I think thats the last time he ran ignition. With our track record with the cops around here, we would have to find a new place to let loose an ignition motor, thats for sure!

I don't know, but it wasn't much by todays standards. I remember that the prop was a huge thing-- about 11 or 12 inch with a lot of pitch. Kind of redish wood with O & R on it. I think they cost either .25 or .35 cents each, and the local guy (Washing machine fixer) gave me a discount if I swept out his shop. He had Hornets.
I may get it out and start it up one of these days.
Bigiron

Hey BigIron; I have one of those old 60 side port jobs that I had George Talent balance the shaft, and replace the crankcase seal. It is on a Playboy right now but have thought about trying it on C/L. The only thing I see a problem with is finding a plane that you could get the tank high enough to work with the sideport. Maybe use a radial mount like on the Playboy. One thing for sure, they are one of the easiest starting motors for spark that I have run. Also very torky.

Steve,

I think this is it. If you like I can bring the Mag to the next meeting and or a copy. The file may have been made unreadable due to the upload size requirement. It was designed by Matt Kania and kitted by Megow. The ad was scanned from MAN February, 1947

Tom,

I'll try to be at the building contest to peek at the magazine, and I'll see if I can get a print of Dad's plane to compare to that Megow add. Thanks for digging that up!